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Judge Delays Ruling on Mesaba Unions
Tuesday October 17, 10:58 pm ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer Bankruptcy Judge Delays Ruling on Whether Mesaba Unions Have Right to Strike

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Mesaba Aviation Inc. and its unions were poised for a fight Tuesday night until a judge intervened, yanking back his permission for the feeder for Northwest Airlines to impose pay cuts on its workers, and delaying a decision on whether they could strike in response.
Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel had given Mesaba permission to impose pay cuts at midnight Tuesday. But after seven hours of testimony over whether he should block a strike, Kishel said he needed more time to think about it.
"It has an effect of cruelty. It's not intended to be cruel," he said.
He said he would decide later this week or early next week on whether to block strikes. He barred the airline from imposing new terms before he issues his ruling. He also barred creditors from seeking to liquidate the airline for now -- something they had threatened to do if Mesaba didn't get labor deals it says it needs to keep flying for Northwest Airlines Corp., its only customer.
Mesaba President John Spanjers testified that the airline would be devastated by a strike, and that he expects that creditors would then step in to sell off its assets.
"Our flight operations would cease, and we would likely see the creditors committee step in and seize our assets," he said.
Attorneys for Mesaba's pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics argued that the law bars judges from blocking strikes even when the consequences would be dire. The bankruptcy judge in Northwest Airlines' case found the same thing earlier this year when its flight attendants tried to strike. However, a different judge blocked the strike, and the matter remains on appeal.
The unions also said it would be unfair to allow the company to impose the terms it wants while also taking away their right to strike. The company said it would keep negotiating even if it imposes new terms, but union lawyers said the company would have no incentive to make a better deal. Mesaba has said it would impose cuts that would cut 17.5 percent off its labor expenses.
"All hope of any real leverage, any real negotiations to reach a consensual agreement, will evaporate," said Nicholas Granath, an attorney for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. "It will evaporate with the stroke of a pen, and that will be your honor's pen," he said.
Spanjers said employees who don't like the new terms can leave.
Mesaba, a unit of MAIR Holdings Inc., gets all of its planes, passengers and revenue from Northwest, which filed for bankruptcy protection in September 2005. Mesaba followed a month later.
Mesaba has warned that its financial situation is deteriorating and it can't tap into $24 million in debt financing unless it reaches a deal with its unions.
Mesaba, which does business as Mesaba Airlines and flies under the Northwest Airlink name, funneling passengers to Northwest's hubs in Minneapolis, Detroit and Memphis, Tenn. It flies to 86 cities in the U.S. and Canada. It's the only air carrier serving some of those cities.
Northwest has said it has a contingency plan for a strike, but has declined to provide details. Northwest pilots have said they won't fill in for striking Mesaba pilots. And on Tuesday Spanjers said he has had no contact with Northwest about plans to transport passengers if there's a strike.
In cities where Mesaba offers the only air service, the situation is being watched closely. They include Fort Dodge, Iowa, where Mesaba's three arrivals and three departures daily save people a four-hour drive to Minneapolis. "We love our service," said Rhonda Chambers, manager of Fort Dodge Regional Airport. "We want to make sure it stays. It's very important to our community."
 
Now the question is, if they do strike would another carrier fly the struck work???

I wish Mesaba guys all the best
 
Spanjers said employees who don't like the new terms can leave.
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if there is a mass exoudus what the diff. This guy really cares about his employee what a d0uchebag. LET THEM STRIKE D@mmit. Next thing hell say is that the really need 11% paycut not 17.5%


PCL will not fly struck work.... if there is a change to my sched im gonna be felling fatigue
 
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NWA will not fly struck work. The indications are strong, according to our MEC that Pinnacle will also not fly struck work. It is in Mesaba's and Pinnacles's best interest at this time to stick together real close.

NOW my beef of the day. It seems that Judge Kishel was beating up on the Mesaba unions for not coming to an agreement, while not really beating up in kind on Management. One point I would like to make:

In the last 10 months, the unions, together have gone from 0% to 15%, which is a tremendous amount of movement. The company, on their hand, has only gone from 19.4% to 17.5%. So, who is it that is not willing to negotiate? The only justice Kishel could do at this point would be to b!tch slap XJ management, and say: "look, jerkwads, you want 17.5%, they are offering you 15%, which is extremely generous of your labor groups, the people who actual MAKE the MONEY for your company. Now, please, SHUT THE F*CK UP and accept their offer of 15%!"
 
Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel had given Mesaba permission to impose pay cuts at midnight Tuesday. But after seven hours of testimony over whether he should block a strike, Kishel said he needed more time to think about it.
"It has an effect of cruelty. It's not intended to be cruel," he said.

He basically admitted that what the company wants is more than unreasonable...the little weasle difinitely chose his words carefully.
 
We have procedures ready to ensure that struck work is not flown. You guys have our support and jumpseats.
 
NWA will not fly struck work. The indications are strong, according to our MEC that Pinnacle will also not fly struck work. It is in Mesaba's and Pinnacles's best interest at this time to stick together real close.

Correct. Both NWA and PCL have stated that no struck work will be flown by our pilot groups. In addition, the PCL MEC has stated that we reserve the right to exercise any and all legal actions in support of the MSA pilots.
 
He basically admitted that what the company wants is more than unreasonable...the little weasle difinitely chose his words carefully.

I got a different meaning from that statement. I gathered that he was referring to the recess in the proceedings, in order for him to formulate his ruling... I kinda wish he was talking about managements postion though...
 
"The only thing justice Kishel could do at this point would be to b!tch slap XJ management, and say: "look, jerkwads, you want 17.5%, they are offering you 15%...."

I think another b!tch slap needs to go to the Unions for offering up 15%. That seems way too much and would probably be voted down anyway just prolonging this entire mess longer.
 
But after seven hours of testimony over whether he should block a strike, Kishel said he needed more time to think about it.
"It has an effect of cruelty. It's not intended to be cruel," he said.

The way I read this is that he's apologizing for dropping the 113c axe, and then pulling it back.
 
Dont bash the 15% so much, I think that you have to read between the lines. 15% if all Saab, okay maybe I can see that.......15% if CRJ's come rollin in, no way, never. I think this is the case.......XJ guys am I close?
Nobody (me) is advocating pay cuts.....but take a dollar or two hit if you have to, so you can keep your work rules, we all know thats where the money is anyhow.
 
Actually, we were told they are beating them into the ground to give them current book with 76 seat pay at 50 seats. By imposing or asking for more they can get a TA that gives current book in the saab and the CRJ's all flown at 50 seat rates.
 
YPF, I'm having the dickens of a time trying to figure out what you mean in some of your recent posts. Your sentence fragments & ambiguous antecedents are confusing.

Speaking of the dickens, anyone know where I can get some Dickens Cider? I hear it's great.
 
I don't fly for Mesaba, but isn't this getting nuts....delay after delay...void the contract...oops no you can't...well, now you can....you can strike...now you can't...decsion on thursday, monday, sunday, or never....who the hell is this Bozo judge.

Does he not want to be the one respondsible if he allows Mesaba to void the contracts and then the pilots stop working and Mesaba liquidates? I know I don't fully get the situation, but what a clown this guy is.
 
It seems to me that what is difficult for Kishel to decide is what to do with ALPA. XJ flight attendants (AFA), and mechanics (AMFA) are both currently in Section 6 proceedings. For them, the decision has already been made: Just as with the NWA FA's (AFA), who are also in Section 6, Kishel need only look to New York for his decision. He is almost certainly going to invoke an injunction against striking until the NLRB realeses them to self-help.

However, XJ pilots in ALPA are NOT in Section 6 proceedings, so Kishel can not apply the same logic, unless he takes the next few days to brood up some kind of travesty of logic to force us into the same cage. Oddly enough, the company tried to send ALPA a letter forcing the initiation of section 6, but our current contract (still in force) does not allow section 6 until 150 days prior to the amendable date (still a few years off...).

Boy, XJ management sure are scumbags, aren't they?
 
Boy, I sure said "force" a lot in my previous posting...

I guess management IS framing the scenario.
 
You know, the only way that a consensual deal will occur is if Judge Kishel does NOT block the strike. That way, management has their "trump" card (i.e. imposing their terms) and the unions have their "trump" card (i.e. strike).

With both trump cards in hand, the only way to escape liquidation is a consensual deal. The company won't impose, knowing that a strike will follow, therefore, they will be more likely to finally negotiate a reasonable deal. It won't be a Win-Win, but at least Mesaba will still exist.

Me personally, I could care less. If Mesaba shuts down, that's the kick in the pants I need to find something else. Until then, it's just a game of chicken. Who gives in first loses. I say we call their bluff.
 

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