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Mel Sharples

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The following article is from today's edition of the Minneapolis StarTribune.

Okay... somebody help me out with this one. How in the HELL is Foley getting paid this much??? Since he has been at the helm of Mesaba, we have lost more routes than we have gained, lost more aircraft than we have gained, and taken on a sinking ship in Big Sky, which has yet to turn a profit. In an era where airlines are trying to cut and save like mad to stay afloat, this clown gets a raise and a SIGNING BONUS. Is he for real???

By the way, he used to read this message board to see what his pilots really thought of him. So, Paul, if you are reading, you are a THIEF if you take this money. We all take it in the shorts to save a dime and help to "grow" the company, and you get a raise for doing what exactly?

CEO's are ruining this industry.


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4 more years for MAIR chief

Liz Fedor, Star Tribune October 26, 2004 MAIR1026

Paul Foley, the chief executive of Mesaba Airlines' parent company, has signed a new four-year employment contract that includes a $500,000 signing bonus.

Foley's new contract maintains his $350,000 base salary, and he is eligible to earn annual bonuses of up to $350,000. In the fiscal year that ended in March, Foley, the CEO and president of MAIR Holdings Inc., received $700,000 in salary and bonus payments. That was $200,000 more than the cash compensation received by Richard Anderson, the CEO of Northwest Airlines, in 2003. Northwest is about 20 times larger than MAIR Holdings. In 2003, Anderson also received restricted stock valued at $1.9 million, which was scheduled to vest over three years.

Anderson had to surrender stock awards when he resigned as CEO effective Oct. 1 of this year.

The salaries of Anderson and his successor, Doug Steenland, were frozen by Congress for 12 months beginning in April 2003 after lawmakers approved federal aid to major airlines. Steenland, Northwest's president, and Anderson both took $45,000 pay cuts for the first quarter of this year to ensure that they did not exceed a federal cap on cash compensation. Neither executive received a bonus in 2003, and each earned a base salary of $500,000.

Similar restrictions did not apply to airline executives at regional airlines, such as Eagan-based Mesaba, which flies exclusively for Northwest. Northwest sets Mesaba's schedule and fares and takes the risk on fuel prices.

Foley's new contract with Mesaba's parent company, which also includes retention bonuses and an annual living expense of up to $75,000, comes as Mesaba is trying to negotiate a new contract with its mechanics.

"They are more interested in keeping Paul than their mechanics. All we hear in negotiations is how bad things are," Wade Slagle, a veteran Mesaba mechanic and spokesman for the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, said Monday. "It's pretty darned hypocritical to be telling us that we've got to buckle down and save money, and we are losing jobs right and left."

MAIR spokesman Jon Austin said the contract, filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday, "speaks for itself and reflects the value that the board places on Paul's continued service to the company."

In the SEC filing, MAIR said: "The agreement will allow the company to maintain leadership stability during a period when the company and its operating subsidiaries will continue to face significant challenges, as they explore long-term growth strategies and negotiate contract extensions with Northwest Airlines Inc. and the company's vendors under uncertain industry conditions."

The contract also calls for Foley to receive a $100,000 "vesting retention bonus" on the second anniversary of the contract, as well as $100,000 on the third anniversary and $200,000 on the fourth anniversary.

The MAIR proxy filed in July shows that Foley, who commutes to a home in Connecticut, received $73,914 in living and travel expenses in fiscal 2004.

Foley, who is in his early 50s, has been the CEO of MAIR Holdings since September 2002. MAIR has two subsidiaries -- Mesaba Airlines and Big Sky Airlines. Foley previously served for three years as the top executive of Mesaba.

Mesaba provided all of MAIR's net income of $4.7 million in fiscal 2004, which ended on March 31. Montana-based Big Sky generated operating revenue of $16.5 million and operating expenses of $20.1 million. In the last fiscal year, MAIR had revenue of $449 million.

Minnesota Twins owner Carl Pohlad is chairman of MAIR Holdings, and he received $300,000 in compensation for serving as chairman for fiscal 2004. Raymond Zehr and Donald Benson, two veteran executives for Pohlad companies, make up two-thirds of the MAIR Holdings compensation committee, according to the proxy. The third member is Pierson Grieve, a former chairman of the Metropolitan Airports Commission.

Northwest owns 29 percent of MAIR Holdings stock, and Northwest CEO Steenland and Mickey Foret, former Northwest CFO, sit on the MAIR Holdings board. MAIR Holdings stock closed Monday at $8.32 per share, down 2 cents.
 
I'm outraged as you are Mel. I wish we could do something, but it's only going o fall on deaf ears. I can't even begin to describe how disapointing this is. Too bad he doesn't fly on our HPN flights anymore, it would be interestingto quesiton him on this issue.


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I still remember when Mesaba had pilots on furlough and he received a $600 000 bonus. Nice.
 
I don't think 350K per year is way out of line for a CEO of a company of our size and profit. On the other hand, I don't agree with the 500K signing bonus when times are tight. Keep in mind that the 75K in "Living and Travel" expenses includes a lot of travel between MSP-HPN which doesn't cost the company much but has a high value placed upon it. If I added up the value of all my nonrev tickets to Cancun, Vegas, Europe, ect. ect. I'm sure I would give Mr. Foley a good run for his $$$$.
 
I hate to say it, but that is a typical CEO salary. From the Board's perspective, $350k/year + bonuses is a drop in the bucket if it means having a competent fella at the helm. Do I think he's worth it? Nah
 
I agree. He's probably not overpaid at all. Perhaps the signing bonus is shocking but that too is fairly standard when dealing with CEO's. CEO's take the blame as well as the credit for everything that goes on at a company. Given today's economic situation and the sinking ship we call the airline industry, companies probably need to provide this size bonus and salary to retain or acquire competant leadership. Keep in mind that pilots will always judge how well a CEO is doing to run their airline in a much different way than the shareholders of the company. Unfortunately this is a business and the CEO's job is to limit losses and improve gains for shareholders. It is amazing, though, how often this clashes with what the pilot group really wants. Keep that in mind when you're judging other people and how they do their work. Keep in mind what their goal is. Not yours.
 
Shortapp said:
It is all about greed.
A CEO should make a percentage of the profits. If a company makes money so does the CEO.
Great idea. That way every company that starts to lose money would be without a CEO. Why not take it a step further and make the CEO financially responsible for the company's loss. He could just make up the difference out of his own pocket.
 
Shortapp said:
It is all about greed.
A CEO should make a percentage of the profits. If a company makes money so does the CEO.
It's funny listening to pilots whine about CEO salaries. In fact, it's funny listening to pilots whine about everything. Open your eyes folks, you're blue collar help. That's it.
 
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Guys, c'mon.. is he worth the money? No, but he is the CEO and that's actually low for the market.

Duane Woerth on the other hand is making over $480k in salary, plus a sizeable living stipend. I would say since we pay for Duanes salary, we aren't getting a lot of return for our money, at least not at the regional level.
 
avrodriverj85 said:
Guys, c'mon.. is he worth the money? No, but he is the CEO and that's actually low for the market.
I disagree. Based on the article, he is not low for the market. Read what Richard Anderson made for a worldwide airline much bigger than old XJ. Plus, he is the CEO of MAIR Holdings and not the airline. Spanjers at least does something day-to-day. If Mesaba Airlines is a bust, he will take the rap not Foley.

Foley does nothing as is evident with Big Sky never making money. And he commutes, which means he isn't even around have the time anyway.

I am not dumb enough to believe CEO's won't make a ton and will all make more than we will ever see. But they should at least earn it. Under Foley's watch, nothing has improved.

I don't even mind the money if it is deserved but in this case it is not deserved at all.




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$350k about right. Ultimately bonus money is where all CEO's get paid. Foley a pretty decent one.
Sometimes the CEO deserves more in tough times than when things are going really well even though it rarely works that way. Usually they are paid better in the easy times because profits are up/

Does Duane get what he deserves. He blew about $4.0m of the pilots money on UPAS. He works for you guys, Foley works for others.
 
This is a free market. Worth is what someone will pay for something, so Mesaba must think he's worth the pay. If a company thinks that they are not getting a return, then the get rid of him. If a company makes too many bad decisions, they go under (look at Delta, USAir, ect....). It's simple economics!!!!!!! The fact is that high level execs make a ton, nothing new has presented itself here.
If this chaps you, go back to business school and go fly a desk yourself. Have any of the chronic complaners had a job outside of aviation??? IT's THE WAY IT WORKS EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Just like us pilots, you never get paid what you're worth... only what you negotiagte.


I agree, he's way overpaid
 
pilotmyf said:
If this chaps you, go back to business school and go fly a desk yourself.
Uhh... okay. It's just that easy, isnt' it? I guess as a shareholder in the company I have no right to complain about how the CEO is compensated. I guess I better go to business school to get this all figured out like you.


pilotmyf said:
IT's THE WAY IT WORKS EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does that make it right?

I guess you have it all figured out, don't you. Don't ever question "The Man" because that's the way it is.

When you you've been in this industry for a while, get back to me and see if your little "glass is half full -- that's the way it is" montra is still working out.



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Anybody can be a shareholder. That doesn't mean that just because you own stock, you know how to run the company. That's a ludicrous thought. Perhaps you think the company should be run differently but can you honestly support your statements with any facts. Do you REALLY know how the company is run on a day to day basis. Are you aware of all the costs, all the pressures from big shareholders (not Joe Bloggs pilot with $400 in shares), and every other detail and concern the CEO has to think about. If you're not involved with this stuff, you are just making blanket statements about how you wish the company were run so that your life may be better. That sounds ignorant and unrealistic. You are entitled to your opinion but please support your claims that the CEO is doing a poor job with REAL facts.
 
DirkkDiggler said:
Anybody can be a shareholder. That doesn't mean that just because you own stock, you know how to run the company. That's a ludicrous thought. Perhaps you think the company should be run differently but can you honestly support your statements with any facts. Do you REALLY know how the company is run on a day to day basis. Are you aware of all the costs, all the pressures from big shareholders (not Joe Bloggs pilot with $400 in shares), and every other detail and concern the CEO has to think about. If you're not involved with this stuff, you are just making blanket statements about how you wish the company were run so that your life may be better. That sounds ignorant and unrealistic. You are entitled to your opinion but please support your claims that the CEO is doing a poor job with REAL facts.
Point taken. I agree that blanket statements can be made by anyone.

My facts are: a) He is the CEO of the holding company and has nothing to do with the day-to-day operations of either airline as he has said himself, b) under his watch Big Sky has yet to earn a profit and Mesaba has gotten smaller, c) he said both before and after 9/11 that we had "so many growth opportunities I don't have time to read them all" and yet we have gotten smaller, d) he refuses to address our employees directly even after repeated requests from labor groups.

If a CEO does a bang-up job, I agree s/he should be compesated well. I am not naive enough to think we will all make the same. Frankly, a good CEO should be compensated well.

My beef with Foley is that he has been all talk since day one. Spanjers, the COO of Mesaba Airlines, works like a madman and should make a ton. Foley went to Holdings so he could "grow" both airlines. Since he has been here that has been quite the opposite. Also, he purposely stays OUT of the negotiations and budgetary decisions. He oversees them but in a very "hands off" manner, leaving that to the CEO/COO of the respective airlines, Big Sky and Mesaba.

And for those of you who say he must be doing something right, keep in mind all of these guys are in bed together. Look at the list of most company boards and you will see common threads all over the place.

I agree that just because someone is a "shareholder" doesn't make them educated. But you still get a vote. Being a citizen doesn't make you smart, but you still get a voice in who becomes president.

My gripe was NEVER against CEO salaries in general. Just one man who in my opinion makes well more than he should for a job he is not doing.

But your point was good. I appreciate your feedback.


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"CEO's take the blame as well as the credit for everything that goes on at a company. Given today's economic situation and the sinking ship we call the airline industry, companies probably need to provide this size bonus and salary to retain or acquire competant leadership."

I am still waiting to see a CEO taking the blame for an airline in crisis....all I ever hear is the pilots taking the blame. These ridiculous amounts of money for "competent leadership" is a joke. Even if you are not competent, you still get a golden parachute. What do you need to be a competent CEO? A good golf swing....give me a break!
 
capt. megadeth said:
I am still waiting to see a CEO taking the blame for an airline in crisis....all I ever hear is the pilots taking the blame. These ridiculous amounts of money for "competent leadership" is a joke. Even if you are not competent, you still get a golden parachute. What do you need to be a competent CEO? A good golf swing....give me a break!
Well, what are you b!tching about? Go become a CEO if it's so dammned great.
 

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