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Mel Sharples

Mel Sharples

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My friend in the Mesaba training department told me today that the next new hire class is being upped from 6 to 28. Yes, that's 28. We haven't had a class that big since.... ?

And it's not due to attrition. Not that many anyway. I was told that is the reason we are hiring a bunch of new instructors and so many new pilots.

Expect a new aircraft type to be announced before the end of the month. Type and major airline affiliate unknown.

The aircraft part I am 99% sure about, but the training stuff is FACT. Now there is definitely something going on.
 
There is a nice rumor inducing post on the ALPA MSA web board.
 
Here is the link http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htmtype in erj-170 then look at the ones in Utah
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That's really interesting...I hope you guys get them, especially for you 5-6 year FO's. Just my luck...I always knew that as soon as I left Mesaba there would be growth. Even though, I'm really happy to see some growth for you guys and gals. You guys are a class act and I'm glad to have worked with you.
 
Well it really is just about the link I posted before. It could be nothing or something...who knows.
 
Yep Its gonna be great. The most senior folks at xj, 9e and champion will get a stab at the fo seat.......only 15 yrs to go.
 
COME ON!!!

The two groups of aircraft in that database. One is all the Republic/Chautauqua aircraft. The others are the MidAtlantic aircraft. The ones that mention Utah are leased.
 
Wells fargo owns the aircraft, which are either currently flying for US Air or will be. US air owns some and Chautaqua owns the rest. Easy folks, lets not break out the manuals yet..
 
Yeah, take it easy with the "WELLS FARGO BANK NORTHWEST NA TRUSTEE"... i.e. don't read into that... It's a naming deal with Wells Fargo Bank. Absolutely no affiliation with Northwest Airlines. But it is good to hear that training is ramping up for something!

-W
 
Has anyone heard any detail about the new weight and balance program that to be instituted with 121 turbo props sometime in August?? Possibly how this is gonna affect the Saabs??? Rumor has it that it'll turn the pink beast into a 20 seat aircraft??? Totally rumor....
 
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Yeah the Utah birds are all midatlantic aircraft...good rumour though. Let's just wait and see what really happens, all this speculation is driving me insane.
 
Both DTW CP's are being pulled out of DTW to MSP to help do interviews MON, TUES and WED. They are not being told what the growth is about , just that they need to get over there and help. I would caution anything about 170's, that part I think is really stretching it. I doubt it has anything to so with NWA 70 flying. That is NWA pilot's work at this time, and I doubt that will change. BUT, they are ramping hiring way up for something. I quess we will have to keep waiting.
 
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Mel,

The purpose of so many new hires this time around is due to many not making it through the training. Since Mesaba has greatly improved its training and testing standards and brought all of the check airman together, if a candidate can cut it, even with 2 extra training sessons, the company cuts the cord. Anything more than that is pure speculation.
 
Mel Sharples said:
My friend in the Mesaba training department told me today that the next new hire class is being upped from 6 to 28. Yes, that's 28. We haven't had a class that big since.... ?
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Yep. I just had this confirmed by calling training. 28 new hires for next month and not sure how many captains. New vacancy notice/award to come out soon.

I also think the 70-seat angle is bogus. It would have to involve NWA ALPA and that is a very, very sticky deal right now. They won't give up 70-seat flying that easy.

To me, this sounds like CRJ flying. Just a guess. But like Mel said, this is major ramping up for something.
 
aimfar said:
Mel,

The purpose of so many new hires this time around is due to many not making it through the training. Since Mesaba has greatly improved its training and testing standards and brought all of the check airman together, if a candidate can cut it, even with 2 extra training sessons, the company cuts the cord. Anything more than that is pure speculation.
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Huh? Where did you get that from? I don't think we have washed that many people at all in the last several months. Plus it is true that we haven't had a class that big in many years. Where are you getting the idea that people get cut quicker? I know for a fact that several people got MORE than two extra lessons. What you are saying is not true at all.

You say it's speculation??? Call HR, call a CP, or call training and ask them. This is not for attrition and not for "many not making it through training". (By the way, you might want to call the training manager before you make accusations that so many people aren't making it through. To all you potential Mesaba pilots, that is NOT TRUE. Pass rate is currently VERY high.)

We are hiring 28 new hires. That's not speculation, my friend. That is SMOKE. And where there is smoke, there is FIRE.
 
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Just a question

Let's say XJ buys C8, a/c, routes and no crews.

I don't know exactly how many a/c C8 still has left around, but I have seen quite a few in Indy. We all know NWA is increasing service in IND, why not add SF-340 under NWA out of IND? Would be growth for XJ (albeit TP), some XJ guys would like it for upgrade, some would hate it as it is only on the TP side.

Regardless, I hope it is RJ's for XJ, 70's would be cool.. but doubtful unless NWA MEC gives in. Personally I liked the J4J rumor that XJ would get 70's to be staffed by furloughee's and XJ pilot's
 
I wouldn't be happy about growth at a Regional airline. That just means fewer jobs with the big boys and you flying for your pathetic little carrier that much longer.
 
Captain Overs said:
I wouldn't be happy about growth at a Regional airline. That just means fewer jobs with the big boys and you flying for your pathetic little carrier that much longer.
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Perhaps its time to implement an ego limit on these boards.
 
Captain Overs said:
I wouldn't be happy about growth at a Regional airline. That just means fewer jobs with the big boys and you flying for your pathetic little carrier that much longer.
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First, they are not pathetic, they provide substantial feed for the mainline. If they were not feeding us our market share would plummet. They make up a significant portion of our network.

Second, I don't care if they grow so long as our scope restrictions ensure our growth as well. NWA is not giving on the 70 seater. Period. I suggest you call your Reps if you question that.

Third, yes it frustrating to watch the feed grow while we have pilots on furlough. There are a few naive newbees and lifers who are only thinking tomorrow or selfishly. The vast majority I speak with want to see growth at the mainlines, not the feed.

If XJ gets additional structure and acft to provide feed (scope protected) for NWA, I say good, especially if it increases our overall health in the industry.

It's us against them right now, and PCL and XJ are part of "us"
 
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Captain Overs said:
I wouldn't be happy about growth at a Regional airline. That just means fewer jobs with the big boys and you flying for your pathetic little carrier that much longer.
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Just ignore him hes got to be a NWA burnout.
 
Captain Overs said:
I wouldn't be happy about growth at a Regional airline. That just means fewer jobs with the big boys and you flying for your pathetic little carrier that much longer.
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Ouch!

I would also like growth at the mainline.

"Pathetic little carrier" does not describe ANY of our red tails.

I don't know who you fly for but we do not have that kind of relationship.

Our expansion is (usually) a mix of mainline and feeder.
Dave B
 
Nobody wants to stay at a regional forever, so they need PIC time. The way to get PIC time at a regional is growth when the majors aren't hiring. Growth = PIC time = a chance at the majors when they hire again.
Therefore, through very simple logic, we can see why regional pilots are excited about the prospect of growth.
I can send you charts and graphs should this not be clear enough.
Your argument about taking future major jobs is moot when those jobs do not exist presently, however I do fully understand and sympathize with your point. Perhaps if we (PILOTS) stopped pitting ourselves against each other, an XJ pilot wouldn't be chomping at the bit to take an NWA job for less money and less QOL that the NWA pilot gets.
I hope we can work together and make whatever happens a good deal for all involved given the present industry environment.
 
needsumluv said:
Just ignore him hes got to be a NWA burnout.
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Needsum,

Your response is no better.

Why don't we all try and stay on topic instead of degrading to the all too common flame fests on these boards.
 
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Fly4hire said:
First, they are not pathetic, they provide substantial feed for the mainline. If they were not feeding us our market share would plummet. They make up a significant portion of our network.

Second, I don't care if they grow so long as our scope restrictions ensure our growth as well. NWA is not giving on the 70 seater. Period. I suggest you call your Reps if you question that.

Third, yes it frustrating to watch the feed grow while we have pilots on furlough. There are a few naive newbees and lifers who are only thinking tomorrow or selfishly. The vast majority I speak with want to see growth at the mainlines, not the feed.

If XJ gets additional structure and acft to provide feed (scope protected) for NWA, I say good, especially if it increases our overall health in the industry.

It's us against them right now, and PCL and XJ are part of "us"
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All True,

I am sure many of the furloughed folks are pissed but it is because
being layed off sucks.

The value of our feeders is huge. I think they do a oustanding job
with what they have to work with.

Dave B
 

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