Mesaba crew canned for booze?

[Towelie]

I heard a rumor that a whole Mesaba crew got canned this week for being drunk under 12 hours.

Anyone know if there is any truth to this?

 

[RampTower]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy.... you opened up a can of worms.

Sadly, it's true. It happened in BRD a little over a week ago. I know the crew involved. But I won't be the one to spill the details or names, though someone here eventually will. All in the all, the FO was being a dousch and got arrested. It led to the cops investigating where they drank, when they drank and dragged the CA and FA into it.

So this or next month on Flightinfo.com it will probably be Mesaba bashing month.....

 

[Towelie]

Wow. I thought it was just a rumor.

That sucks.

 

[jobear]

Wasn't ME!

 

[RampTower]

Yeah sucks.


I checked the latest seniority list dated today and yup, both CA and FO are off the list. CA is a cool dude, just had a kid recently. And the FO surprised me with what he did to get arrested. But I guess they had it coming to them. Glad the media didn't get ahold of this one.

 

[Palerider957]

.....always pay cash for your booze, and leave a good tip.

 

[fly4ever]

Guys I know things like this get around but this isn't a good place to air the laundry especialy when the facts aren't public. It's one thing to talk about it in our crewroom it's another to put it on this website.

 

[Ty Webb]

Sorry to hear about it, but if it is 12 hours, not 8 hours, then is it only company policy then? Did the FAA get involved, or do they get to keep their certificates?

12 hours is pretty harsh . . . . our company policy is just the FAR 8 hours, but .02 instead of FAR .04

 

[Towelie]

Guys I know things like this get around but this isn't a good place to air the laundry especialy when the facts aren't public. It's one thing to talk about it in our crew room it's another to put it on this website.

Towelie, as an XJ crewmember, as I believe you may be(correct me if I'm wrong), you should have refrained from putting this out to such a wide audience.

IMHO only.

I respect what you are saying. I heard this rumor from two 9E buddies and I thought they were pulling my leg. I only asked to kill what I thought was a stupid rumor. If I had known it was true, I wouldn't have said anything.

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard anything in the crew room and the people I asked hadn't heard either.

I just thought this kind of crap didn't happen here. Guess I was dumb in more than one way.

 

[fly4ever]

Towelie,

Sorry I didn't get that edited, again, quick enough. I understand the interest in the story and it does suck that it can happen here too on occasion. People sometimes make mistakes without realizing the consequences. It's a shame that the same mistakes keep showing up in our industry.

 

[jobear]

So what is the Mesaba policy? I know at SYX it's 10 but they started saying it may go to 12, no word on that up til 2 weeks ago.

As a side note; does anyone actually drink during overnights anymore?

Jobear

 

[RampTower]

So what is the Mesaba policy? I know at SYX it's 10 but they started saying it may go to 12, no word on that up til 2 weeks ago.

As a side note; does anyone actually drink during overnights anymore?

Jobear

12 hours

 

[TIS]

People sometimes make mistakes without realizing the consequences. It's a shame that the same mistakes keep showing up in our industry.

I don't know the facts of this case. Haven't heard a word about it. I have my suspicions however, and I don't think the above sentence quite cuts it. It really should go more like this:

"People keep getting caught doing things that they know to be mistakes before, during and after their acts - things for which the consequences are CLEARLY spelled out in their employee policy manual."

Now why do you think this happens? The answer is simple; People in this industry tend to think that only certain rules apply to them. And even if any particular rule does, well, they just won't get caught. A little acountability would be nice once in a while. We definitley don't need the FAA imposing their brand of it if we don't do it ourselves.

TIS

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I respect what you are saying. I heard this rumor from two 9E buddies and I thought they were pulling my leg. I only asked to kill what I thought was a stupid rumor. If I had known it was true, I wouldn't have said anything.

For what it's worth, I hadn't heard anything in the crew room and the people I asked hadn't heard either.

I just thought this kind of crap didn't happen here. Guess I was dumb in more than one way.

If the rumor wasn't on this board, how would you be "killing the rumor".

 

[RampTower]

For comparison, there is a veteran Captain who failed a drug test. He was fired, attended a drug rehab program and was eventually rehired however he had to start at the bottom.

I wouldn't be surprised to see at least the Captain get his job back but it's going to be a long uphill battle for him. The FO on the other hand, well, I dunno.

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

So this or next month on Flightinfo.com it will probably be Mesaba bashing month.....

Well, at least it will give the Pinnacle bashers some time off.

No doubt once this Mesaba rumor is dead, the Pinnacle bashing will return.

 

[Ralgha]

No doubt once this Mesaba rumor is dead, the Pinnacle bashing will return.

This one's not a rumour, haven't you read this thread?

 

[TIGV]

For comparison, there is a veteran Captain who failed a drug test. He was fired, attended a drug rehab program and was eventually rehired however he had to start at the bottom.

Sweet !!!

Scoobi-Doobidge Anyone ???

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

This one's not a rumour, haven't you read this thread?

Yeah, I read ONE person confirm the rumor (so far), everyone else is just talking about it. "Ramptower" has the means/evidence to confirm this, but I don't. Maybe it is true, but it wouldn't be right for me to start calling something fact unless I worked for Mesaba and knew the whole story.

Once a few more Mesaba folks chime in, I'll start calling it fact.

 

[RampTower]

Believe what or not what you want, but unfortunately this is true. Like I said earlier, I will not post any more details than I have and especially no names on the internet. But through time at the workplace, the story will get out and you'll get the names and details. I'm just glad it didn't turn into a media fiasco with the media showing up at the airport and Mesaba's reputation getting blasted.

 

[DoinTime]

Yeah, I read ONE person confirm the rumor (so far), everyone else is just talking about it. "Ramptower" has the means/evidence to confirm this, but I don't. Maybe it is true, but it wouldn't be right for me to start calling something fact unless I worked for Mesaba and knew the whole story.

Once a few more Mesaba folks chime in, I'll start calling it fact.

If these guys names hadn't been removed from the senority list I would be skeptical too.

 

[redflyer65]

Someone at Mesaba got caught with there hand in the cookie jar, and you guys are saying this isn't the forum to discuss this? With the amount of non-Mesaba bashing going on, and the combination of "these things will never happen at Mesaba" attitude, I say hold on tight.

Sounds like someone made some bad decisions and will probably get what's coming, but don't ever say it doesn't happen here, because usually, that's when it does!

 

[HughBeamont]

I think it is absolutely appropriate to discuss this. Learn from others mistakes. Remind ourselves of the standards that we are held to, and what the consequences of breaking rules are. The press and flying public knows we are a bunch of divorced alcoholics anyhow, so who cares.

 

[tradersltd]

Any chance anyone one knows what the FO did to get arrested? Just curious...

 

[Sioux115]

Already covered in another thread.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Already covered in another thread.

What thread would that be? I tried a quick search and couldn't find it.

 

[248to2.8]

So what is the Mesaba policy? I know at SYX it's 10 but they started saying it may go to 12, no word on that up til 2 weeks ago.

As a side note; does anyone actually drink during overnights anymore?

Jobear

Dude! Thats gonna suck ass. Better start drinking now to make up for all the nights in the future I won't be able to.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

*********

* 12 hours alcohol to showtime at Mesaba

* If a crew were to "take it down to FAA rules," i.e. 8 hours, they are in violation of our FOM and therefore in violation of the FARs.

* The report is correct

Enough said. Let's learn from it.

MM

 

[FN FAL]

* The report is correct

MM

What report is correct?

 

[jjetpilot]

.....always pay cash for your booze, and leave a good tip.

NEVER a more true statement.

We have 12 hours as well..........kinda harsh but it is what it is-----BUT if you want to bend the rules I would go back to that first statement and for GOD sakes be able to hold your freakin alcohol.

There was this one time at band camp....