Mesaba Bankruptcy Claim

[Max Powers]

Heard throught the grapevine that Alpa determined a date of Dec 1 06 to Jan 31 07 as those elgible for the pay out; which if distributed equally should be over 20 grand a piece!

I'm hear to cry BS if that is true what about us that were there 7,8,9 or more than 10 years and left just a few months shy of those dates how is that fair.

Anyone know how they determined those dates.

I want my Bankruptcy money.........If you do too then send me a PM I may try to influence ALPA with an attorney's letter anyone else's name or input would be apprecitated.

 

[TheJCNIs]

I agree. I left last October because my union told us to leave if you could. Now they don't want to give us a little bit of the pie. I don't think we should get as much as the great people that stayed but a little would be nice for the crap we put up with.

 

[Crizz]

What about people on furlough with intentions of returning? Are they cut out of the pie?

 

[flap operator]

The claim represents monies lost for the duration of the concessionary contract. If you quit before December 1, you never had to work under the the new terms. So, if you never worked under the new terms and are a furlough not intending on returning, you're not going to get any part of the claim. Yes, the furloughs are included... IF they return.

We all have our own hardship story to tell from the very beginning of this drama. Not to mention the $hite we put up with during the contract 2004 drama. However, the claim is to compensate those who will experience the "hardship" of the concessionary contract. ALPA had to draw the line somewhere... and I think it's drawn where it should be.


FO

 

[naglasair1]

I am a 08/22/2006 furlough planning on returning. Is my part of the claim going to be the same as the current active pilots, or am I going to get a fraction of that?

 

[naglasair1]

I stand a good chance of returning in the April class....if that info. means anything in regards to my portion of the claim.

 

[flap operator]

It's best to contact the rep for your former domicile and read the "Keeping Current's." This forum isn't the best place to get real info and this sort of things doesn't need to be hashed out on this site of all places.

FO

 

[xjgearbtch]

It will be impossible to make everyone happy with this issue. Take a deep breath and move on. Yes I am one of those up/downgrade a bunch of times. Wife and daughter have been put through hell with this job. I choose to concentrate on them and not spend too much time complaining. The decisions have already been made. I'm sure they have toiled over these issues ten times more than all of us. Give them credit for their efforts. They have sacrificed a bunch for the whole pilot group. Though not perfect, their intent is admirable.

 

[Max Powers]

The claim represents monies lost for the duration of the concessionary contract. If you quit before December 1, you never had to work under the the new terms. So, if you never worked under the new terms and are a furlough not intending on returning, you're not going to get any part of the claim. Yes, the furloughs are included... IF they return.

We all have our own hardship story to tell from the very beginning of this drama. Not to mention the $hite we put up with during the contract 2004 drama. However, the claim is to compensate those who will experience the "hardship" of the concessionary contract. ALPA had to draw the line somewhere... and I think it's drawn where it should be.


FO

So your telling me that since you worked under a concessionary contract for one month you deserve to be paid out over ten grand. There are plenty of people leaving for new jobs that were around during dec and jan why should they get anything. I guess what I am saying - by using your logic they should slowly pay people over the life of this new concesssionay contract. Perhaps every year cut you a check to compensate; now that would make more sense. In my opinion the people that sufferred most were the ones around during aircraft losses and hardship.

Keep PM me with your names so I can do some research into any course of action we can come with so we can get a fair recompense for our years of pain.

 

[Mr Chub]

I agree that you cannot please everyone, but the MEC should have tried to make it somewhat fair. I left in January along with many other people. A bunch of us had to commute out of base for months and also operate under the BS bankruptcy contract along with losing a week of vacation. I don't think we should get nearly as much as the guys that are still there, but even a few hundred dollars would have been something. What about the guys quiting today? They get all of it. I think the MEC did a great job all the way through the bankruptcy but this has left a bad taste. I know...I'll move on now and the eligiblity dates are set so nothing can be done, but there are many of us out there that have been watching and feel that we paid dues and were pushed out. That said I hope nothing for the best for all the Mesaba guys in the future.

 

[saabtrash]

This is rediculous. As previously stated, this money is based on the concessions we just took. Let's see, what would a good cut off point be...hmmm...how about giving it to people who were at least EMPLOYED/FURLOUGHED at/from Mesaba when the concessions went into effect? What is so difficult to understand about this? Did you take concessions before you quit a year ago? No!!!! Maybe you shouldn't have quit! But that isn't my problem bud. Enjoy your lawyer.

 

[captain dad]

It will be impossible to make everyone happy with this issue. Take a deep breath and move on. Yes I am one of those up/downgrade a bunch of times. Wife and daughter have been put through hell with this job. I choose to concentrate on them and not spend too much time complaining. The decisions have already been made. I'm sure they have toiled over these issues ten times more than all of us. Give them credit for their efforts. They have sacrificed a bunch for the whole pilot group. Though not perfect, their intent is admirable.

If this flamebait is real, it is not a question of making everyone happy. It is a question of doing what is right. I am sure that if there is any money to be had and to avoid a class action law suit from former employees, said money would be distibuted in a prorated manor divided by years served.

Personally, I doubt any money exists and if it does, you guys can have it. You are going to need it.

It is still time to leave. The redtail has planned this for a long time. If you think that this is the begining to peace and prosperity, I think you are sadly mistaken.

Each his own, but I would seriously get out while the industry is about to go on an upswing.

 

[xjhawk]

well, as much as it sucks, but those of you who left are gone, and by definition, not a pilot here. So, by that definition if you want a part of the pie, I want a part of your new pie thrown into the pot. I.E, if you have a better paying job, better work, I want part of it. I hate to say it, but too bad so sad.

Oh, by the way, yes it sucks, but the MEC had to make a decision and made one, I wish it was evenly distributed between everyone, including furloughs, but those who are senior are getting the most.....typical ALPA, but in general they did a good job figuring things out, and done pretty fairly if you look at this from everyones point of view.......of those who are employed. This is Mesaba alpa's claim, not i used to work there, and went somewhere else's claim

 

[captain dad]

well, as much as it sucks, but those of you who left are gone, and by definition, not a pilot here. So, by that definition if you want a part of the pie, I want a part of your new pie thrown into the pot. I.E, if you have a better paying job, better work, I want part of it. I hate to say it, but too bad so sad.

Oh, by the way, yes it sucks, but the MEC had to make a decision and made one, I wish it was evenly distributed between everyone, including furloughs, but those who are senior are getting the most.....typical ALPA, but in general they did a good job figuring things out, and done pretty fairly if you look at this from everyones point of view.......of those who are employed. This is Mesaba alpa's claim, not i used to work there, and went somewhere else's claim

Wow! Aren't we just a bit touchy.

You are right I don't work at XJ anymore. Mainly, because I got off my ass and did what it took to get on with my life instead of just hoping and bitching.

Did I have a positive impact on XJ while I was there? Yes sir! Did I work hard and support my fellow pilot? Absolutely! Did I sacrifice and pay my dues? You bet your A$$ I did! Almost 10 years five bases and $14,000 in dues. Do you think I have a right to some pay back? Apperantly not. Of course I wrote that I wasn't interested in the money. (reading helps)

As for you, having some right to my "new pie"... I didn't see anyone helping me study for interviews or filling out applications. If you want some "new pie" I suggest you go out and get it for yourself.

Remember aviation is a small group. Drop the tude.

Good Luck with that.:laugh:

By the way, we were operating on a concessionary contract since before you were hired. I never saw any pay back for that, so enjoy what you can get.

 

[acarpe3448]

I agree. I left last October because my union told us to leave if you could. Now they don't want to give us a little bit of the pie. I don't think we should get as much as the great people that stayed but a little would be nice for the crap we put up with.

You dont work for Mesa! So why should they give you anything?

 

[Max Powers]

What are the Official dates anyway?????

I may not have worked under a concessionary contract but I did work during a bankruptcy which meant loss of aircraft and a change of base for me. The people getting the claim worked under a month of a concessionary agreement and lost a few hundred dollars. I mean come on this is real bad form I'll say it again if you want fair then slowly pay out the money over the life of this new contract.

GET REAL ALPA

 

[captain dad]

I am sorry. I am not mad at any of the good pilots at XJ. I am just still pissed at all those yahoos in management that let all this happen to a good little airline. We all worked hard and deserved better. Good luck to all you folks.

PS If anyone gets a clean shot to pants Spandex...please post pictures.:laugh:

 

[SplitBar]

The XJ pilots won in the end. The poetic justice is that all Mesaba pilots who stay will come out ahead of what they would have earned under the old contract. If thats getting screwed by mgmt then I will take getting screwed anyday.

 

[FOrever85]

"The XJ pilots won in the end."

Congrats SPLITBAR,

That is the dumbest thing I have read on flightinfo in a long time.

Yeah, I feel like a real winner, almost seven years and I am barely holding a line as an FO, but if I am lucky I will upgrade in NOV and in DEC 2008 when we get our last plane, I will be on reserve as a captain in the saab. That is "if" NWA pilots don't take some of our spots

You're right,

I sure am lucky!!

 

[SplitBar]

agreed. Won was the wrong word. Made whole or vindicated would have been a better choice. Sorry

 

[flyn96]

What are the Official dates anyway?????

I may not have worked under a concessionary contract but I did work during a bankruptcy which meant loss of aircraft and a change of base for me. The people getting the claim worked under a month of a concessionary agreement and lost a few hundred dollars. I mean come on this is real bad form I'll say it again if you want fair then slowly pay out the money over the life of this new contract.

GET REAL ALPA

Seriously Max, get a life, you had your ticket out of Mesaba, you used it and now your life is better, how about leaving the money for the people who are hostage of the company and will have to put up with BS until they can get enough PIC time to leave.

Goes to show pilots are a bunch of greedy self serving SOBs. No wonder we're in this whole mess.

I GOT MINE!