Mesaba Arbitration Decision

[fowingman]

yea splitbar i think your right, the more i think about it, i think you're correct with the point about unless youre in the 100's or maybe very low 200's go ahead and bid for the crj, because the flow wont reach you in a year anyways.

 

[SplitBar]

Three in the top 50? Heres my guess based on some informal polling:

1-100.......(5)
101-150....(20)
151-200....(35)
201-250....(40)
251-300....(45)

just my $.02

Yeah... 3 in the top 50 might be a stretch. I hope your estimate is more accurate than mine. I think more than 25 in the top 150 will flow however. I predict the top 175 will eat up all of the 2008 slots.

 

[mesaba13]

What people say and what they actually do are also two different things so we'll just wait and see!

I wonder if the company will hold people 3 months right off the bat or not? I know one guy well below 100 who is still lost in the CRJ200 program and wants to flow. It would make no sense to hold him back for 3 months and waste a valuable IOE slot, but this company never ceases to amaze me!

 

[QuasarZ]

So what does all this mean for a new hire? A few of you are saying the training dept. is going to fall apart, is this going to happen soon? If I have a class date in Jan, would I be better off at looking to go somewhere else?

 

[CptMurf]

So what does all this mean for a new hire? A few of you are saying the training dept. is going to fall apart, is this going to happen soon? If I have a class date in Jan, would I be better off at looking to go somewhere else?

It means if you want to get paid while you sit at home for a sim slot, or sit at home and get paid for a month or more for a sim slot, or sit at home and get paid a month or more for IOE, then this maybe the place for you.

This is all a guess anyway. The standards will not be lowered, the people doing the training/checking may be new (that leads to it's own problems) and there will not be as many of them (for awhile) which will lead to the wait times, but hey if it happens, you'll be getting paid to sit at home anyway.

 

[BeCareful!]

Bush signed HR4343........does this affect this discussion?

 

[fowingman]

does anyone know are there really going to be anyone apd's or checkairman quitting?i doubt more apd's will quit faster than the checkairman, what do you all think?

 

[XJohXJ]

Saab training is trucking along just fine. It's the jet training which has been gummed up.

 

[xjhawk]

here is my two cents, i am in the mid 400's and I do not plan on flowing for 3-5 years. So I would think I can plan my career around the 4 year flow thing. That way I can plan on a couple things for sure Maybe three. That I will be seat locked in the saab for two years for sure (since Bustafo is playing hardball on that one) After that, I will have to take the crj immediately in order to not effect my flow. But ofcourse I will try to go other places first. I already said this once 54 will flow in the first year. 108 a year there after. 162 in two years 270 in three years 378 in four years 486 in five years. So think about who will not flow. The ones who do not flow will be from Minneapolis, make about a 100 grand a year and fly a jet and do not want to lose QOL and the pay. There you have it.

 

[xjhawk]

oh, one more thing. they do not have to be from minneapolis. But that is the mecca for those who are lifers. The other thing, the reason I have 5 years as a part of my plan is with the age 65 rule in effect, it might slow NWA hiring to prevent some of our flow. Oh another thing, I met an airbus guy yesterday, he said in less than 6 months he turns 60, he said he is retiring before his next PC. I asked why. He said that since he is pretty senior at the company and have been there a a long time, he did not lose much of his retirement. guess what? He said that he will make only a little more money working than he will on retirement. So.......I would suspect that many will make that same decision in the coming years.

 

[koepp]

I wonder if the company will hold people 3 months right off the bat or not?

I heard that they are going to hold people back for the max amount of time (3 to 6 months as applicable). It is actually as good deal for those held back though because your seniority and longevity are the same as if you started at NWA on your original date without being held back.

 

[sopdan]

It should be clarified that when people speak of LCAs/etc. "quitting," it means resigning from that position, not quitting the whole job and leaving XJ altogether.

 

[MELVIS]

hey guys, not wanting to butt in too much but a few ?? I was hired there in 98 left for greener pastures in 05, was a saab capt for 5yrs, and find myself on the "west" side of a seniority dispute. Just curious of the roads not traveled. I would be around the mid-200's on the list, where would that put me in the current company? Also to be fair, for some reason I still have access to mymesaba but only certain parts so I don't know where I would fall on this whole flowthrough (congrats, thats news to me). Just curious on how my life would have been. Luckly I missed out on the whole BK but I was marching that cold January night when we were about to see if the strike would happen. AW was a great easy going place until the merger. Now with stagnation and a group of people who hate me with no other reason than I happened to get hired there. I'm wondering what XJ is like now. When I left the CP's still backed you up and we had our rough times but it seems from reading the posts here that this is a completly differnt company.(P.S. ignore the CRJ in my profile that was about 3 x-pads ago and some guys were having some fun with me) AWest was a blast by the way, the New US, not so much.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

hey guys, not wanting to butt in too much but a few ?? I was hired there in 98 left for greener pastures in 05, was a saab capt for 5yrs, and find myself on the "west" side of a seniority dispute. Just curious of the roads not traveled. I would be around the mid-200's on the list, where would that put me in the current company? Also to be fair, for some reason I still have access to mymesaba but only certain parts so I don't know where I would fall on this whole flowthrough (congrats, thats news to me). Just curious on how my life would have been. Luckly I missed out on the whole BK but I was marching that cold January night when we were about to see if the strike would happen. AW was a great easy going place until the merger. Now with stagnation and a group of people who hate me with no other reason than I happened to get hired there. I'm wondering what XJ is like now. When I left the CP's still backed you up and we had our rough times but it seems from reading the posts here that this is a completly differnt company.(P.S. ignore the CRJ in my profile that was about 3 x-pads ago and some guys were having some fun with me) AWest was a blast by the way, the New US, not so much.

You could hold any CA seat at XJ except MSP -900 (you could hold -200). There are plenty of -900 CA people below #250 in the company. It was a big blow in DTW when CW and SK left as the CPs, but DV has been a very good replacement. XJ is not QUITE as pilot friendly, however, with our "new" DFO JR attempting to penalize pilots outside of ASAP. Nonetheless, training (Saab anyway) is still top notch and I think the instructors still genuinely care. Tons of new people in the crew rooms (lower 40% of seniority list) and lots of learning going on. Still a good place to be, but lots flow/vacancy/training issues. ALPA keeping busy keeping our management in line.

 

[xjhawk]

anyone with the ear to the ground on JR know what his motives are? I mean I know a few old chiefs who are now line pilots and instructors who personally know the guy. I met JR once, seemed pretty cool. Now he seems to be playing hard ball with our careers on stupid issues which should be resolved without job action. Although yes, the one issue definately deserved job action.......but why is he making the threats about seat locks and forcing people to take positions (and forcing them to take a 1 year road block to NWA)

 

[YourPilotFriend]

anyone with the ear to the ground on JR know what his motives are? I mean I know a few old chiefs who are now line pilots and instructors who personally know the guy. I met JR once, seemed pretty cool. Now he seems to be playing hard ball with our careers on stupid issues which should be resolved without job action. Although yes, the one issue definately deserved job action.......but why is he making the threats about seat locks and forcing people to take positions (and forcing them to take a 1 year road block to NWA)

Probably because, behind the scenes, they are whipsawing CPZ and XJ for the remaining 18 jets.

 

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