Mesaba Arbitration Decision

[Superpilot92]

Original agreement was a months ago. Final LOA to be signed soon based on arbitrator's decision yesterdday. It was worked out but like always Mesaba management had to change the details at the last second. They always keep their heads in the sand until the bomb goes off and then ask "what the hell happened?"

It takes affect in January. 3 per month until September and then 9 per month after that. You must be a Captain and meet all other NWA hiring mins for time. No interview or sim. Just a class date.

More details to follow.

Thanks for the details! The next question is how does the flowback work? and they already have classes scheduled till the end of Feb are they going to increase the class sizes to fit those initial guys in from Jan or Feb? I am just curious because i am trying to keep track of how big each class will be. Thanks again for the info.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I believe there is a restriction for 3 flow ups per month for 2007. That means a total of 36 flow ups for the year. You aren't going to get very far through the list at that pace. I personally know a lot of people in the top 150 that can't wait to get out.

Yes, but I can't believe someone would seat lock themselves and miss out on 500+ hrs of PIC for a CRJ. Also we had a jumpseater going to IOE the other day on the 900 that was hired in July. So tack on what, another 6 months to that lock.....nobody is that stupid.

 

[SplitBar]

i feel the crj (most likely the 900 more than the 200) will go junior, give it another few months, say a vacancy in march, will go abit more junior. either a lifer will take it or a really junior guy will take it, a middle seniority guy wont take it, if he will be able to flow up that year, why would he delay it 12 months. touching another airplane post loa signed is signing your 12 month commitment to xj. who knows though, i suppose it all depends on your individual situation and personal preference

Depends on what you mean by middle seniority? If you aren't in the top 200 then you may as well bid the CRJ (if you want it). By the time the 1 year NWA flow freeze is up you will still have to wait to flow. No one under Sen # 200 is going to flow up in 2008 so it's a moot point discussing NWA flow freeze unless your in the top 200. I'm in the low 100's and I doubt my turn will come before the fall. It would be nice if the pref bid got upated and we were shown a preview of how the NWA flow is going to pan out. Don't let the NWA flow-freeze stop you from bidding the CRJ if you aren't in the top 150-200.

 

[SplitBar]

Since NWA still has a pension for the senior guys, there will be a lot of retirements out of here. If a guy were to give up 100 seniority slots due to a lock it could be a million dollar mistake. Aren't most of the top 150 there lifers anyway?

Here is my prediction of how many flow...just an educated guess.

Sen #'s 1-50 (3 bid flow)
Sen #'s 51-100 (15 bid flow)
Sen #'s 101-150 (30 bid flow)
Sen #'s 151-200 (40 bid flow)

 

[mesaba13]

Three in the top 50? Heres my guess based on some informal polling:

1-100.......(5)
101-150....(20)
151-200....(35)
201-250....(40)
251-300....(45)

just my $.02

 

[fowingman]

yea splitbar i think your right, the more i think about it, i think you're correct with the point about unless youre in the 100's or maybe very low 200's go ahead and bid for the crj, because the flow wont reach you in a year anyways.

 

[SplitBar]

Three in the top 50? Heres my guess based on some informal polling:

1-100.......(5)
101-150....(20)
151-200....(35)
201-250....(40)
251-300....(45)

just my $.02

Yeah... 3 in the top 50 might be a stretch. I hope your estimate is more accurate than mine. I think more than 25 in the top 150 will flow however. I predict the top 175 will eat up all of the 2008 slots.

 

[mesaba13]

What people say and what they actually do are also two different things so we'll just wait and see!

I wonder if the company will hold people 3 months right off the bat or not? I know one guy well below 100 who is still lost in the CRJ200 program and wants to flow. It would make no sense to hold him back for 3 months and waste a valuable IOE slot, but this company never ceases to amaze me!

 

[QuasarZ]

So what does all this mean for a new hire? A few of you are saying the training dept. is going to fall apart, is this going to happen soon? If I have a class date in Jan, would I be better off at looking to go somewhere else?

 

[CptMurf]

So what does all this mean for a new hire? A few of you are saying the training dept. is going to fall apart, is this going to happen soon? If I have a class date in Jan, would I be better off at looking to go somewhere else?

It means if you want to get paid while you sit at home for a sim slot, or sit at home and get paid for a month or more for a sim slot, or sit at home and get paid a month or more for IOE, then this maybe the place for you.

This is all a guess anyway. The standards will not be lowered, the people doing the training/checking may be new (that leads to it's own problems) and there will not be as many of them (for awhile) which will lead to the wait times, but hey if it happens, you'll be getting paid to sit at home anyway.

 

[BeCareful!]

Bush signed HR4343........does this affect this discussion?

 

[fowingman]

does anyone know are there really going to be anyone apd's or checkairman quitting?i doubt more apd's will quit faster than the checkairman, what do you all think?

 

[XJohXJ]

Saab training is trucking along just fine. It's the jet training which has been gummed up.

 

[xjhawk]

here is my two cents, i am in the mid 400's and I do not plan on flowing for 3-5 years. So I would think I can plan my career around the 4 year flow thing. That way I can plan on a couple things for sure Maybe three. That I will be seat locked in the saab for two years for sure (since Bustafo is playing hardball on that one) After that, I will have to take the crj immediately in order to not effect my flow. But ofcourse I will try to go other places first. I already said this once 54 will flow in the first year. 108 a year there after. 162 in two years 270 in three years 378 in four years 486 in five years. So think about who will not flow. The ones who do not flow will be from Minneapolis, make about a 100 grand a year and fly a jet and do not want to lose QOL and the pay. There you have it.

 

[xjhawk]

oh, one more thing. they do not have to be from minneapolis. But that is the mecca for those who are lifers. The other thing, the reason I have 5 years as a part of my plan is with the age 65 rule in effect, it might slow NWA hiring to prevent some of our flow. Oh another thing, I met an airbus guy yesterday, he said in less than 6 months he turns 60, he said he is retiring before his next PC. I asked why. He said that since he is pretty senior at the company and have been there a a long time, he did not lose much of his retirement. guess what? He said that he will make only a little more money working than he will on retirement. So.......I would suspect that many will make that same decision in the coming years.