Mesa-The Anti-Christ of Regionals

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Here here, well said MiniMe.
I just knew there was someone else out there who thought like me.

Now let's see how those sharks with lasers work, throw in J.O.!


...you complete me...

 

[StaySeated]

Nail on the Head

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** mini, I could not agree with you more. First, we missed the boat and the damage is done. We have let management establish a permanent "B" scale in the form of regional airlines. Second, I especially like the fact that you did not call Alpa "national", as we are all to blame for not seeing the light before mgmt. did. Lets not even get started on the fact that since every city in the nation is shared, "self help" is a thing of the past. Comair will forever be the last regional airline strike.

 

[blzr]

MINI.....

Yeah, Piedmont used to haveDC-9's and 727's and 757's, all those bigboy toys. But you are confusind Piedmont and Piedmont. When you fly on Airways with that old guy that took flying lessons with Wilber Wright, THAT is old Piedmont. We at PDT now are just in name only. We used to be Henson before the old man went completely crazy and sold his buisness to those retards at Airways.

It all boils down to you guys swallowing a load of J.O. and signing off on quite possably the worst labor contract since slavery was legal.

You are resented, nothing anyone can do about that. Think about that next time the vote comes up in 2050.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

Mini, I think you are missing the point. The point is that Mesa has been, and apparently will always be a haven for the most tentative, easily intimidated pilots known to man. I attended a joint WestAir/Mesa MEC meeting shortly after Mesa voted in ALPA, and was preparing to start contract negotiations. I listened in astonishment as the Mesa negotiators explained that they were shooting for their current pay in the contract because anything more "might upset Mr Risley." I kid you not....Can you even imagine? I couldn't, but apparently those same chaps negotiated the last contract. Oh, and by the way: While I am not familiar with the exact payrates, the defense of "everthing went up, except for a couple of work rules" is pretty lame. If Mesa were to get 737's, negotiating a rate 1 penny above B-1900 wages would NOT be an improvement....I just think that ALPA should invest money into a seminar for Mesa pilots, to explain that they really ARE worth every penny they're getting paid, and not to feel guilty because JO tries to make them feel bad...maybe Tony Robbins could speak...

 

[C150Heavy]

Alpa signed the Mesa contract

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Alpa national sign off on the Mesa contract. I believe most of the other "regional carriers" are members of Alpa, so why didn't you have your MEC complain to Alpa national? I do remember most of you b _ _ ching about the TA, so you knew it was coming.

Ps. Piedmont and ALG you bit the hand that feeds you and your shocked they are shutting you down. Why are you surprised?
Did you really believe Alpa was going to fight for you? Your problem might end with Mesa but it started with Alpa.

 

[No.W.]

I haven't been doing the 121 thing very long, but I keep hearing that Mesa provides cheap, but unreliable feed to their major partners. Is this true? If so, maybe the only hope is that survival of the fittest will play out and they will either improve the operation(by providing more incentive for their people to work harder...read...higher pay) or they will die and be absorbed. Perhaps this is wishful thinking, as I am currently working at an airline that is being hurt in a small, but direct way by Mesa's dealings. This also worries me:

Quote from J.O. on a recent conf. call: "We are basically sucking up all the capacity we can handle..."

A scary statement...I don't want to be without a job for the second time in as many years...and that is a real possibility with a this "sucking" going on(made possible by bidding the lowest possible price for whatever flying Ornstein can find). I don't "resent" Mesa pilots...but I do struggle with their company's strategy in the market place. But, then again, maybe my own words come back to bite me and we are all going to die as Mesa does more with less for less. I guess it could go both ways.

 

[stillaboo]

I keep hearing that Mesa provides cheap, but unreliable feed to their major partners. Is this true?

Some are chaper, most are not. Unreliable is a relative term. Mesa has grown too fast. It's hard to fly 400 routes when you only have enough employees to cover 360 of them.

Can Mesa cover their growth b/f UA, HP, and U cancel them? Completion rates were 97.55% for Mesa and 99.4% at Freedom last week - the #'s speak for themselves.

-Boo!

 

[meanstreak]

Do you know why you have high completion rates? It's certainly not because your on time. Ask any gate agent in the US Airways system, they will tell you. They fly planes 6 hours or later behind schedule just to make sure the completion rate is high. 99% of these flights get flown empty. Remember folks these pilots didn't fight for cancellation pay, therefore unless the flight gets flown nobody gets paid. What sucks the most is the ground crews have to stay late just to turn an empty airplane. And you wonder why ramp and other people bash you, your operation is run by a bunch of morons.

 

[regionalhell]

Why Mesa Pilots Suck

One of these days I am going to write a diatribe on this issue, but for right now I'll just say that I give this post two thumbs up.
And to all MESA(Freedom) pilots: No matter what sad story you have to tell in your defense, you are still the most disrespected pilot group in this industry!!!!!!!!

 

[crj579]

WAAA WAAA Mesa is destroying my life WAAA WAAA. Change my diaper. I've fallen and I can't get up. WAAA WAAA

Quit your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** whining and get a life.

 

[WSurf]

Meanstreak,

US Airways caught on to mesa pulling that bull with running a flight 6 hrs late with no pax and getting paid for it. Now if that flight isn't completed within 2 hrs they dont paid.
Oh! Did I fail to mention.... MESA SUXS

LOL, GOOD DAY

 

[stillaboo]

Do you know why you have high completion rates?

I thought the Mesa # wasn't that great, actually.

It's certainly not because your on time. Ask any gate agent in the US Airways system, they will tell you. They fly planes 6 hours or later behind schedule just to make sure the completion rate is high.

On time arrivals:
Mesa: 68%
Freedom: 76%

Again, I'll let the #'s speak for themselves.

99% of these flights get flown empty

Load factors:
Mesa: 73%
Freedom: 79%

These are the facts, and they are undisputed.

-Boo!

 

[meanstreak]

WSurf, thanks for clearing that up. I didn't think US Airways was aware they were pulling that crap.

 

[Mesa Lifer]

Uhhhhhh?

Your jobs? Your planes? Your business? A list of every regional pilot group complaining about this?

What color are the planes you are flying?

United Express , US Airways Express , Delta Connection , American Connection ...the list goes on.

Whose jobs are these really? Let's not get too greedy here folks. None of the jet flying should have been OURS to begin with. The jets should be flown at mainline. Plain and simple. But they aren't, things are the way they are, and get all the facts. Mesa pilots caved is an opinion, not fact. Get the facts completely straight before you insult a group on such a low level. Otherwise you are only showing how stupid you really are.

When someone gets ALL the facts of what went on here from March 2001 to February 2003 and what we put up with and why the contract passed with a 75% approval, and you still want to bash like you do then go ahead. At least then you will have your story straight.

I voted yes, I'll tell you to your face I did, and I will wear my badge outside my uniform. I don't have to explain myself to anyone. I acted within my rights, did not scab, and followed the advice of our MEC and negotiating committee. Do I wish things were different here, you bet. But as it has been said before here if you think we are going to take over everyone's flying, and by that I mean what you guys think is your's when it is not, we may. But you can bet we will screw it up because this company is run by a bunch of idiots. A bunch of idiots do not fly here.

An Army with a great leader and dumb troops will succeed where one with a dumb leader and smart troops will fail.

-ML

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

First off, Machdog... You're an idiot.

Next up, I voted yes. I wear my id badge and my hat in CLT and PHL and I know that all of you will cave, not because we did, but because you're all weak, like we are.....

Flame on....

 

[buttercup]

Mesa is however directly responsible for pissing on the bravery, courage, and hard work of the Comair pilot group.

 

[blott]

chq 94% voted for strike....FA-Q mesa (Grog)(lifer)( crj579)(etc)
(and that's with the whole Republic deal...hanging over our heads..that's why we will strike)

We aren't weak, we aren't "scared" , like you were/are...we are PISSED OFF and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT-I hope we have your support, and everyone elses when the time comes.

B

 

[meanstreak]

Personally I have not met one pilot that has told me he voted yes for that contract. You would think after talking to about 20 of these guys in the last few months I would have met one that said they voted yes. Seems everyone is still a little scared of what other people think. Just my opinion.

 

[OneTuffGuy]

It is simple you all work and defend MESA because no one else would hire you. Why else would you work for such crap money? Yes i know you will all deny this but, come on. Why would you take a job at MESA over a job at ASA, COMAIR, Atlantic Coast, TranStates, Chq, PSA, SkyWest, Etc... or any other airline that has or will be getting Jets with a decent pay scale and work rules? You work for MESA cause no one else wants you. As for a 75% pass on the Contract the reason for this is you all got scared and voted yes, cause no MESA = no pilot hat to wear. Funny thing is some airlines the pilots dont wear them anyways.

 

[Beantown]

It is simple you all work and defend MESA because no one else would hire you. Why else would you work for such crap money? Yes i know you will all deny this but, come on. Why would you take a job at MESA over a job at ASA, COMAIR, Atlantic Coast, TranStates, Chq, PSA, SkyWest, Etc... or any other airline that has or will be getting Jets with a decent pay scale and work rules? You work for MESA cause no one else wants you. Funny thing is some airlines the pilots dont wear them anyways.

Ya, TranStates, PSA and CHQ have awsome contracts. (what ever)

"As for a 75% pass on the Contract the reason for this is you all got scared and voted yes, cause no MESA = no pilot hat to wear."

As did ACA, Air Wisky and Skywest. What's your point? -Bean

ps Half the pilots at Mesa fly for America West and they don't wear hats there you idiot.