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Mesa Terminates Bid for Atlantic Coast

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350Driver,

I see youre drinking the JO's koolaid. Put down the koolaid and the crackpipe and get a grip...

Have you thought about how much your "rosy" future at MESA is if UAL or USAir dont make it???

Even if we were to fail at ACA, at least I wouldnt have to say I worked one day for JO. Unlike you...
Merry xmas
 
I'm With You Shamrock

JO may be a prick, but he is the prick that turned around M.A.G.

I'm sick of seeing the rediculous Mesa bashing (I'm not a MESA pilot), but the vicious attacks I've been seeing are ludicrous. The pilots did what they had to do to eliminate Freedumb and protect the CCair pilots. I'm also sick of hearing how the pilot's should have held out for a better contract (and comparisons to the Comair contract) which was drawn Pre-911. The constant rhetoric is a great example of false pride coupled with ignorance.

ACA will probably not make it as an independant. Mesa would have done nothing but good for the blue ridgers who are hanging on to a sinking ship. Come on now, a regional who still has pilots on furlough??? Jeez even Coex and Eagle can't say that anymore... To make matters worse, after ACA parks the J41s and passes off the Dojets, do you really think they will have positions for all the DO and JS drivers? (Well, I guess they will need alot more flight attendants for the airbuses..... there's an option)

I actually interviewed with Mesa last week... Myself and the 2 ACA furloughees, that were in attendance there along with the 47 other interviewees will tell you that they are going in a positive direction.. And by the way, many of the other interviewees actually had decent flight time and experience despite the rumors of 1000 hour wondersticks (there were only a few)

To the upcoming ACA furloughees, I mean ABSOLUTELY no disrespect when I say this, but I hope to see you on the line at MESA in the near future... It's a shame you will have to start at a much higher seniority number as a result of having to go through the interview process as opposed to a list merger, but with Mesa hiring 1100+ in '04, I'm sure I'll see you there...


O.C.
 
WITHOUT ACA'S CASH

Now that JO has been stopped before he could plunder the cash that ACA has on hand, he may have a very difficult time getting the financing that he needs at the rates that he needs it. Could be hard times at Mesa. Also JO stated that the merger could have saved around 20 million the first year. Will this be the end of Mesa? I doubt it, but it could be a huge set back.
 
Otto,
The reason that we have furloughs is that we ramped up the hiring of pilots in anticipation of getting more airplanes to fly for UAL. When UAL left ACA out of the equation, we were overstaffed - its that simple.

As for MESA doing ACA any good, you have to be kidding me. Growth would have stopped and reversed. MESA would slowly transfer assets away from ACA and we would have died a slow death.

Andy,
Good Luck on your investment. Who knows which way it will go. As long as you don't get too heavily involved (I make it a rule to never sink a lot of money into the company I work for lest emotion cloud my judgement.....) it is a lot of fun to play the market. I got lucky on ACA in the past - hope to again.
 
Re: I'm With You Shamrock

Otto Coarsen said:
Mesa would have done nothing but good for the blue ridgers who are hanging on to a sinking ship.

Sinking ship? What sinking ship? The only sinking ships I see around here are United and USAirways. Isn't Mesa tied to both of those carriers? Now you tell me who's hanging on to a sinking ship.
 
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j41driver said:
Sinking ship? What sinking ship? The only sinking ships I see around here are United and USAirways. Isn't Mesa tied to both of those carriers? Now you tell me who's hanging on to a sinking ship.
Breaking away from business "partners" that go bankrupt and then try to misuse the laws to muscle the companies THEY are indebted to is a good move as far as I am concerned. My prediction.....UAL finally comes to ACA with their hat in hand like they should have done in the first place. ACA still does some United Express with the J41's and some RJ's. No limitations on Indy Air.
 
350 Driver:

You're envy is becoming obvious again.

There has to be a reason 97% of ACA pilots voted in support of Independence and against a Mesa takeover. Furloughous and all.

No hard feelings, though. You'll always be welcome to jumpseat on my Airbus.
 
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350DRIVER said:
Good for Mesa, they surely don't need a company who's future is defintely up in the air, has furloughed guys on the street, lost routes, and finally had to go "independant" cause they were pretty much fuc$ed after they lost the routes.,.. ACA is nothing more than a horrible gamble (both short and long term) , just happy Mesa did not touch a "crashing damaged item." Obviously you can see the company who is continuing to hire (pilots too:D ), purchase new equipment, prosper, succeed, expand route structure, aquire other companies (Midway), etc, etc, etc. It would have sucked to have seen Mesa try and bail these guys out since in reality ACA probably could have brought Mesa right down the gutt(a) with em.


There is a God,

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350,

ACA did not "lose" the routes. ACA had a firm 10 year deal with United to fly at least 122 CRJ's as United Express. When United went into Chapter 11, it elected to subvert the contracts with all United Express carriers by submitting all three of them (ACA, AWAC, Skywest) to a competitive bid process with a variety of other carriers, including Chatauqua, Mesa Air Group, Trans States and others. When ACA management evaluated the terms that United was insisting on, they simply said THANKS, BUT NO THANKS. The deal being offered by United involved too much exposure to long term risk and diminishing margins that were deemed unacceptable to ACA management and the company's board of directors. Therefore they elected to simply refuse every offer that United made and will continue to do so until UAL emerges from bankruptcy and cancels the contract with ACA.

ACA has $300,000,000 cash, one of the best balance sheets in the industry, 87 CRJ's flying for the United Express operation, and extensive infrastructure in place in Dulles and several outstations. Ornstein has publicly stated on several occassions that his biggest challenge is financing new aircraft and keeping pace with the scheduled growth. It does not take a genius to determine Ornstein's true motivation in launching this unsolicited bid for ACA.

Will ACA ultimately be successful as Independence Air? I don't know; neither do you. Only time will tell. I do think that the business plan is solid, Dulles is in need of a low cost/high frequency option, the infrastructure is in place, and the cost structure will be competitive once the A319/A320 series is brought into the mix to offset the higher CASM of the CRJ. Most importantly, the entire employee group is highly motivated and 110% behind the effort.

Mesa, on the other hand has several negative things "going for it". It is aligned with partners that are on shaky financial ground (put mildly), accepts deals with margins that are too slim for favorable financing terms, and is heavily leveraged. My personal opinion is that your CEO (if you work for Mesa) is taking you down a very self destructive path in the name of ego and "cashing in" on the opportune moment. I think history will reveal Mesa as one of those carriers that tries to expand too aggressively and ultimately implodes. I certainly do not wish for my fellow pilots to be out on the street. On the other hand, I feel that our profession would be much better off without the downward pressure that Mesa creates. That's a bit callous, I know, but your remarks concerning ACA were no less offensive to this former ACA pilot. Tit for tat, as they say.

At any rate, that's enough fun for tonight.
 
KingAirKiddo said:

My personal opinion is that your CEO (if you work for Mesa) is taking you down a very self destructive path in the name of ego and "cashing in" on the opportune moment.

Great post of accurate info. As to the quote above, I think it's fair to say that the ACA management team does care about providing a public transportation service and employment in the communities they serve. I believe those issues are just an annoyance to JO. Ultimately, that's why MESA will fail. The company isn't about serving anybody except JO.
 
350DRIVER

Mesa bail ACA out.. Please

Hmmmm. I'm trying to understand the logic behind your post. Mesa is a contract carrier for UAL and US Air. In case you had your head up your @ss for the last 3 years, I will fill you in on a little secret; they have been doing very badly.

ACA has been in control of there future with and without United since last December. If they wanted the UAL flying they could have it still today! Kerry Skeen has decided that continuing as a contract regional carrier is not in the best intrest of ACAI stock holders and the well being of its employees. I would rather invest in 240 million in the bank, Kerry Skeen, and the ACA employees, than a contract carrier with underpaid, overworked employees.
 
46Driver said:
My prediction - for all you that care (which is probably no one...). UAL realizes it is up the proverbial creek without a paddle. UAL either re-affirms the lucrative ACA contract or decides to codeshare with ACA. At any rate, I'm gambling and just bought a little ACAI stock while it was under $9 a share.

Merry Christmas!

I just covered my short on ACAI at just above $7.50/share; the stock's bouncing around too much. I'll take my $3.5K profit and wait until near the first quarter that ACAI has to report with reduced express revenues (before I short the stock again) ... I expect ACAI to post some pretty hefty losses. I do not see how ACAI will ever be profitable as Independence Air.
Good luck to ya; I still think that it's foolish to buy stock in the company that one works for; too many eggs in one basket.
 

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