Mesa Sued!

[WSurf]

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=4501295&nav=23Ku

 

[twighead]

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[Quack]

All I can say is let mesa go ahead with their little interisland scheme...we all saw the tradgedy unfold at AirIndy and can't believe that fuel prices in the islands are all that cheap these days. Good luck to Mesa and may you R.I.P.

 

[FlyingDawg]

How did Mesa get this information?

 

[Freight Dog]

By signing non-disclosure agreements to take a peak at Aloha and Hawaiian's books, practices, strategies... etc.

 

[islandhopper]

How did Mesa get this information?

he got the information by cheating, he got busted by bragging about it. Heres to seeing JO rot in the fukcing slammer!

 

[sflax]

If the information was used in court filing then it is open to the public. This is just a stab at thin air for Hawiian. They see their most profitable part of their business going down. Sucks for all of us.

 

[RP170]

Sounds similar to when JO tried his hostile takeover of ACA a couple of years ago and was found guilty of violating anti-trust laws. The guy is a crook. Always has been and always will be. This will just be another event to add to his long list of criminal activity. Anyone that willingly goes and works for him should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Whale Rider]

Jonny O is going to get egg on his face over this one.:laugh:

 

[El Ocho]

The original full story from Honolulu...

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Feb/14/bz/FP602140319.html

JO just couldn't keep his big mouth shut.

 

[islandhopper]

The original full story from Honolulu...

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Feb/14/bz/FP602140319.html

JO just couldn't keep his big mouth shut.

More details here from the Star Bulletin! http://starbulletin.com/2006/02/15/business/story01.html

Looks like JO is saying Mesa is still coming. G-damn this is going to be one hell of a fight. I picked a bad week to cancel my high speed internet.

 

[RJP]

This is just a stab at thin air for Hawiian. They see their most profitable part of their business going down. Sucks for all of us.

So if HAL's most profitable part of their business is inter-island, then why did they sign a letter of agreement for 4x767-300s? They gonna throw them on the OGG-HNL routes? Don't think so. Their money's most likely from long haul and it looks like they're going to expand that portion of the company. Hopefully to China and Japan. Kampai! :beer:

 

[FlickerFade]

If the information was used in court filing then it is open to the public. This is just a stab at thin air for Hawiian. They see their most profitable part of their business going down. Sucks for all of us.

You are easily deluded bruddah.

 

[dash8driver]

If the information was used in court filing then it is open to the public. This is just a stab at thin air for Hawiian. They see their most profitable part of their business going down. Sucks for all of us.

uhh... the information they are talking about is not in the court filiings...thats why they had to sign NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS before looking at it. if you're not sure what that means, i'm sure someone here can help you out.



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[Andy Neill]

As I read it, the agreement was signed in Apr 2004. Here we are a couple of months short of 2 years and Mesa is not yet in Hawaii. Isn't that abiding by the terms of the agreement?

 

[spitfire1500]

Jonny O is going to get egg on his face over this one.:laugh:

Sadly Johnny O isn't going to get anything on his face. THey are only starting out 2 planes in Hawaii to see how it goes that is less tan 2% of Mesa's fleet. At the most Mesa is putting 5 planes out there. Big Deal if it doesn't work out they pull the planes and park em.

 

[FlickerFade]

The announcemet was made in October. The quote about getting a look at HA and AQ was made in January. Busted.

 

[Andy Neill]

OK. So I sign an agreement in Apr 2004 not to disclose for two years the information they are going to let me see that is not available to the public. I look at it. Two years later (after Apr 2006) I am operating in Hawaii using the information I saw in 2004. What is wrong with that? What is he busted over? The issue is not whether he looked at it or not. The issue is whether he violated the terms of the agreement signed in 2004. I can't see where he did.

 

[dash8driver]

As I read it, the agreement was signed in Apr 2004. Here we are a couple of months short of 2 years and Mesa is not yet in Hawaii. Isn't that abiding by the terms of the agreement?

the agreement was to not use the information for 2 years. are you telling me they're not using the information right now?

 

[Andy Neill]

Could be my mistake. I thought the agreement was not to DISCLOSE for two years vs. not USE for 2 years. Which is it? Do you KNOW? It could come down to what "use" means. Certainly a potential investor of in a Bankrupt airline would USE the data in determining whether or not the bankrupt airline was worth investing in. Certainly competing against that former bankrupt airline is use. But do preparations for competition after the two year period constitue use? I think that will be the legal issue the court will have to consider in rendering a decision.

 

[sflax]

Hawiian would have to prove that Mesa used the info, I say that is impossiable to do. All Mesa says is we did our own research, so some documents to prove it and the case is done. JO is smart.

 

[dash8driver]

Could be my mistake. I thought the agreement was not to DISCLOSE for two years vs. not USE for 2 years. Which is it? Do you KNOW? It could come down to what "use" means. Certainly a potential investor of in a Bankrupt airline would USE the data in determining whether or not the bankrupt airline was worth investing in. Certainly competing against that former bankrupt airline is use. But do preparations for competition after the two year period constitue use? I think that will be the legal issue the court will have to consider in rendering a decision.

the article states its a confidentiality agreement and doesnt get into specifics of the agreement. surely there could be any number of stipulations in that agreement.

it very well may come down to the definition of "use", not unlike the battle over the definition of "is" not too long ago.

certainly the people who have access to all the agreements and law books think there is a case or it wouldnt be going to court.


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[dash8driver]

Hawiian would have to prove that Mesa used the info, I say that is impossiable to do. All Mesa says is we did our own research, so some documents to prove it and the case is done. JO is smart.

except there is that matter of JO stating that he did at a shareholders teleconference.....




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[FlickerFade]

except there is that matter of JO stating that he did at a shareholders teleconference.....




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Exactly!!!

He said "remember we had a look at HA and AQ while in Ch. 11" to JUSTIFY HIS CASE TO A SHAREHOLDER. HE WAS BRAGGING ABOUT USING THE DATA IN HIS BUSINESS PLAN!!! Gotta love the internet archives!

 

[sflax]

I agree, if JO is that dumb (which I think he is not), HAL would need to prove specific use of the info. What JO says in the depositions will be used, he could of been refering to information that was not covered in the agreement.

 

[islandhopper]

I agree, if JO is that dumb (which I think he is not), HAL would need to prove specific use of the info. What JO says in the depositions will be used, he could of been refering to information that was not covered in the agreement.

And if my aunt had a pair of balls she would be my uncle. Put this BS to music! JO IS BUSTED HE IS GOING DOWN.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hawiian would have to prove that Mesa used the info, I say that is impossiable to do. All Mesa says is we did our own research, so some documents to prove it and the case is done. JO is smart.

There's a distinct difference between "smart" and SCUM OF THE EARTH!!