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sniper said:
How much did you pay for your job.

If my memory serves correct, it was $8000 for the B1900 FO job at your company with 11.95 hourly rates, until late 90's.

That some expensive uniform I would say.

Hey Idiot,

I never paid a dime for training! I'm a six year captain and on track to make 77K this year and I average 15 days off a month. So take your mesa trash company and stuff where the sun don't shine. Good luck with your next contract, I'm sure it will be a great one with the brilliant people you have as negotiators.
 
sniper said:
How about that ERJ you people waisted on landing and made a fixed base cockpit trainer out of it?

Do you remember that?

Probably not, so how about asking your Captain..........


Your sh--t does not smell like roses. Remember that and stop basing others.
Get your facts right. It was a v1 cut which went bad. See our company beliefs in training the pilots to above the standards when they got mesa guys out there making up j lines and dressing like a white trash loser who just got done his shift at the locally walmart. We fly and dress like real airline pilots. Good luck trying to pay some bills over there at messa when your wellfare runs out.
 
C-DALE DRVR said:
Hey Idiot,

I never paid a dime for training! I'm a six year captain and on track to make 77K this year and I average 15 days off a month. So take your mesa trash company and stuff where the sun don't shine. Good luck with your next contract, I'm sure it will be a great one with the brilliant people you have as negotiators.




Hey low life m--r f----r
Six years? you are baby. Ask your senior Captains how much they paid.

I do not work for Mesa.

77K whoa? I made more than that as a second year FO flying a DC9 ...............with 78 seats
 
aerobaticspilot said:
Get your facts right. It was a v1 cut which went bad.


A V1 cut that went bad? How can a V1 go bad. Didn't your astronauts learn to play safe....


Some pilots you have there. Very unsafe I would say destroying that poor ERJ....


Your training dept must suck
 
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mcjohn said:
What year did all this sh!t begin and what year is it going to be over?

"sh!t began:" December 17, 1903

"year it is going to be over:" When reality catches up with Star Trek
 
NTSB Identification: NYC05LA013.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of MESA AIRLINES INC (D.B.A. US Airways Express)
Accident occurred Wednesday, October 27, 2004 in Philadelphia, PA
Probable Cause Approval Date: 7/7/2005
Aircraft: Bombardier CL-600-2B19, registration: N592MC
Injuries: 1 Minor, 41 Uninjured.
The airplane was taxiing for takeoff on a 50-foot wide taxiway. The flightcrew observed an airport vehicle parked on the grass, off the right side of the taxiway. The flightcrew also observed a larger airplane that had taxied past that point, and thought the clearance was adequate. However, as the airplane continued to taxi, the right wing struck the rear of the airport vehicle. A safety area extended an additional 34 feet from the edge of the taxiway. The driver of the airport vehicle parked about 6 feet from the edge of the taxiway; about 28 feet in the safety area. The driver did not inform air traffic control that the vehicle was parked there, and buildings obstructed the view from the control tower. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The flightcrew's misjudged clearance from a parked airport vehicle while taxiing. A factor was the vehicle operator's improper decision to park within a taxiway safety area.

I guess they forgot where the j line was again. HAHA Its the yellow line in the middle of the taxiway
 
sniper said:
aerobaticspilot said:
Get your facts right. It was a v1 cut which went bad.


A V1 cut that went bad? How can a V1 go bad. Didn't your astronauts learn to play safe....


Some pilots you have there. Very unsafe I would say destroying that pure ERJ....


Your training dept must suck

Last time i checked the A320 flys itself so when you get off that plane with training wheels and get in something you actual have to fly occasionally you can come and talk about my training department.
 
sniper said:
Hey low life m--r f----r
Six years? you are baby. Ask your senior Captains how much they paid.

I do not work for Mesa.

77K whoa? I made more than that as a second year FO flying a DC9 ...............with 78 seats

My plane only has 50 seats so I guess I'm right on track with your thinking.
You started this shite with me F--k head. If you don't work for mesa then why do you feel you have to jump off your high horse and bash people. I was asking I question because I did not believe that a windbreaker was part of a company uniform. Oh and I'm just a baby also? I would have been in this career field earlier but I spent a couple of years serving my country arsewipe.
 
For some of the posters on this thread, do you really, truly, grasp how utterly immature and stupid you all sound? Seriously, in reading some of your responses, I try to think that you're being sarcastic, but sadly, you're not. It almost makes me ill to believe that the airline industry has resorted to hiring what appear to be such children.

And for someone who claims to be a professional to brag (publically!) about making $77K after being with a company for SIX YEARS! My gawd, it just proves how out-of-touch some of you are with how professionals are paid in today's business world. For instance, a 6-year engineer at my company makes approximately $150-$180K, and that's about industry average. Of course, that person comes from an educated background, which unfortunately is not the case by what I see here. And I would highly doubt that those people are spouting off about how much money they make, because in the regular world, that's not a lot.

Granted, the internet was in its infancy (that's eary stages to the GED crowd here) so there weren't forums such as this, but I can't recall such blatant childishness when I was at the regionals. I'm truly fortunate to fly a company jet for business/pleasure purposes, because I can't fathom to think of my life being in the hands of what I can only classify as children.

But carry on with the bashing and other sorts, this particular forum has become a favorite of mine to get a good laugh. And to think that you all are really trying to be serious!!...too much FUN!

Oh yeah, for whoever posted that they "fly and dress like real airline pilots", you almost made me spew my diet coke all over the keyboard! Too darn funny :laugh:
 
MALSR said:
...Don't forget the one midget pilot they have.

They do?????????????????????
 
ROJO said:
These threads clearly illustrate that the regional airline pilots are their own worst enemy. So much backstabbing, bickering and slander.

You folks who claim to be "professionals" are hardly that, and you deserve your slave wages.

And that never ever hapens up at the "majors"... My neighbor works at United and he carries a "scab clicker." Which is apparently a noise maker that they use to make UAL scabs feel uncomforable when they walk into ops.

You deserve to blow a dog.
 
And for someone who claims to be a professional to brag (publically!) about making $77K after being with a company for SIX YEARS! My gawd


Are you brand new to this industry buddy. wake up, 150K a year is what most 737 capts make these days if they are lucky. I'm glad you don't fly for the airlines either. You are probally one of those arse clowns at the FBO with citation shirt on. Oh and do you also serve your pax on flights also? The FO getting up to serve people drinks and food MY GAWD! Do you throw bags also? clean the plane?

For whats it's worth I'm done bashing fellow pilots. My original post was an honest question and this is getting out of hand. I'm done. And to the Mesa guys I apoligize for my earlier post also. I honestly hold no animosity toward you guys. Every pilot group is different and I should not judge until I have walked in your shoes, Sorry.
 
C-DALE DRVR said:
And for someone who claims to be a professional to brag (publically!) about making $77K after being with a company for SIX YEARS! My gawd


Are you brand new to this industry buddy. wake up, 150K a year is what most 737 capts make these days if they are lucky. I'm glad you don't fly for the airlines either. You are probally one of those arse clowns at the FBO with citation shirt on. Oh and do you also serve your pax on flights also? The FO getting up to serve people drinks and food MY GAWD! Do you throw bags also? clean the plane?

For whats it's worth I'm done bashing fellow pilots. My original post was an honest question and this is getting out of hand. I'm done. And to the Mesa guys I apoligize for my earlier post also. I honestly hold no animosity toward you guys. Every pilot group is different and I should not judge until I have walked in your shoes, Sorry.

I have to go now....Mommy is calling me from the sandbox.
 
aerobaticspilot said:
NTSB Identification: NYC05LA013.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of MESA AIRLINES INC (D.B.A. US Airways Express)

I guess they forgot where the j line was again. HAHA Its the yellow line in the middle of the taxiway



NTSB Identification: NYC03FA035.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of ExpressJet Airlines Inc. (D.B.A. Continental Express)
Accident occurred Monday, January 06, 2003 in Cleveland, OH
Probable Cause Approval Date: 6/2/2004
Aircraft: Embraer ERJ-145LR, registration: N16571
Injuries: 50 Uninjured.
The pilots initiated an approach to runway 6L, which was snow covered, and had a useable landing distance of 6,000 feet. The last winds from the tower were 340 degrees at 22 kts, with gusts to 35 knots. The maximum demonstrated crosswind for the airplane was 30 knots. The ATIS contained runway condition data that was 1 hour old. Inside the final approach fix, the captain elected to land with the wing flaps set at 22 degrees, rather than 45 degrees due to the wind. The Vref was adjusted to 138 kts, however, the final 38 seconds of flight was above 138 kts, and the final 7 seconds of flight was above 150 kts. In the final eight seconds of flight, the radar altimeter was less than 15 feet. However, the pilot continued with the landing and did not go-around. Touchdown occurred at an airspeed of 150 kts, about 1,523 feet from the departure end of the runway, and 2,308 feet from the ILS localizer antenna, which the airplane struck after it overran the runway. According to the company flight manual, with flaps set at 22 degrees, and a wet runway, the actual landing distance would have been 4,260 feet. When interviewed, the flight crew reported they had not checked landing distance. The FAA had published a NOTAM 26 days prior to the accident, which raised the landing minimums for the runway from 4,000 ft RVR to 5,000 ft RVR. The NOTAM was not in the airline's data base, and the company had no backup method for determining if they had all NOTAMS. The last RVR transmitted to the flight crew was 4,000 ft. The local controller did not update the flight crew with the latest RVR, or braking action reports as required. There was no requirement for the local controller to notify the pilots that the airport was below landing minimums even though the controllers were required to be aware of the approach minimums. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The captain's failure to attain a proper touchdown on runway, and his subsequent failure to perform a go-around, both of which resulted in a runway overrun. Factors were the company's inadequate dispatch procedures with their failure to provide all NOTAMS for the airport to the flight crew, and the snow covered runway.



we can all throw mud and list examples of poor judgment.
 
what's the deal with with the mesa 900's painted in the new us air colors. i thought these mesa gay porn fluffers were only a temporary thing in charlotte.
 
dollacrackho said:
what's the deal with with the mesa 900's painted in the new us air colors. i thought these mesa gay porn fluffers were only a temporary thing in charlotte.


Just the opposite it will probably become a 900 crew base sometime in June.
 
The Truth said:
For instance, a 6-year engineer at my company makes approximately $150-$180K, and that's about industry average.
:laugh:

OK, I'm gonna have to call BS on this one. 150-180K as a plummer?

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/fedex-2005030132.htm

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/ups-2005030140.htm

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/abx-air-2005030126.htm

According to my calculations (and I am admittedly horrible at math), an engineer at any of these 3 carriers (whom I belive are the top paying airlines who still utilize FE's) a 12 year FE barely clears 100K flying the guarantee.

A six year captain at ABX makes roughly 160K. Where exactly do you work? Are they accepting applications? If a 6 year engineer makes that kind of money, what does a 6 year captain make? At FedEx, an engineer makes roughly 45% of what a captain makes. At your airline that means a captain makes 320K/year?
 
stall022 said:
NTSB Identification: NYC03FA035.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of ExpressJet Airlines Inc. (D.B.A. Continental Express)
Accident occurred Monday, January 06, 2003 in Cleveland, OH
Probable Cause Approval Date: 6/2/2004
Aircraft: Embraer ERJ-145LR, registration: N16571
Injuries: 50 Uninjured.
The pilots initiated an approach to runway 6L, which was snow covered, and had a useable landing distance of 6,000 feet. The last winds from the tower were 340 degrees at 22 kts, with gusts to 35 knots. The maximum demonstrated crosswind for the airplane was 30 knots. The ATIS contained runway condition data that was 1 hour old. Inside the final approach fix, the captain elected to land with the wing flaps set at 22 degrees, rather than 45 degrees due to the wind. The Vref was adjusted to 138 kts, however, the final 38 seconds of flight was above 138 kts, and the final 7 seconds of flight was above 150 kts. In the final eight seconds of flight, the radar altimeter was less than 15 feet. However, the pilot continued with the landing and did not go-around. Touchdown occurred at an airspeed of 150 kts, about 1,523 feet from the departure end of the runway, and 2,308 feet from the ILS localizer antenna, which the airplane struck after it overran the runway. According to the company flight manual, with flaps set at 22 degrees, and a wet runway, the actual landing distance would have been 4,260 feet. When interviewed, the flight crew reported they had not checked landing distance. The FAA had published a NOTAM 26 days prior to the accident, which raised the landing minimums for the runway from 4,000 ft RVR to 5,000 ft RVR. The NOTAM was not in the airline's data base, and the company had no backup method for determining if they had all NOTAMS. The last RVR transmitted to the flight crew was 4,000 ft. The local controller did not update the flight crew with the latest RVR, or braking action reports as required. There was no requirement for the local controller to notify the pilots that the airport was below landing minimums even though the controllers were required to be aware of the approach minimums. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The captain's failure to attain a proper touchdown on runway, and his subsequent failure to perform a go-around, both of which resulted in a runway overrun. Factors were the company's inadequate dispatch procedures with their failure to provide all NOTAMS for the airport to the flight crew, and the snow covered runway.



we can all throw mud and list examples of poor judgment.







Thank you for bringing this up for the D--- A--- to view.

Now that is some crew.
 
C-DALE DRVR said:
And for someone who claims to be a professional to brag (publically!) about making $77K after being with a company for SIX YEARS! My gawd

A six year Mesaba pilot will not even make half of that, as they are nowhere near the left seat and are going to be furloughed real soon.

Thanks, Mesa for keeping the bar low....and rememeber, Go Arounds are not an option in ROA at night; no matter how slow you get.
 
Dodge said:
A six year Mesaba pilot will not even make half of that, as they are nowhere near the left seat and are going to be furloughed real soon.

Thanks, Mesa for keeping the bar low....and rememeber, Go Arounds are not an option in ROA at night; no matter how slow you get.

And after reading that NTSB report, looks like go-arounds arn't an option in CLE either. -Bean
 
mdanno808, sorry if I was unclear. I'm a partner for an engineering company (sold them the share of my own company) and was referring to Engineers at my firm. You're correct, a 6-year Flight Engineer would, to my knowledge, not be making that kind of money.

And to C-DALE DRVR, I'm not working as a pilot within the regional industry any longer, nor am I cleaning planes and throwing bags (unless it's for my own plane). I'm sitting in the back now. Although, being typed in a Challenger, I'm also able to get stick time as well, if I so desire. Best of both worlds, I guess. I do occasionally wear a Cirrus shirt around the FBO when I'm able to fly my pride and joy. Maybe I'll upgrade to a Citation, but I just have a thing for props....flying low and slow!

Thanks for asking though.
 
dollacrackho said:
what's the deal with with the mesa 900's painted in the new us air colors. i thought these mesa gay porn fluffers were only a temporary thing in charlotte.

watch out student pilot on the board!! Go watch topgun again you know you get your lotion bottle ready for the volleyball scene. You pole smoker
 
midget pilot.....lol!!! My X married a midget....DOH!!!
 
C-DALE DRVR said:
I was asking I question because I did not believe that a windbreaker was part of a company uniform.
It is. We fly in a few different mainline systems, and it's the America West (former, I guess) folks wearing the windbreaker. With the merger done and things in transition, I don't know what the future holds. Probably our Airways uniform, hat and all.
 
As a Mesa employee, I feel the urge to publicly apologize for the windbreakers. No I do not own one nor do I put up with any of my crew wearing them. I even saw (to my horror) a guy wearing the purple (not blue) piece of crap at a bar. He was promptly pimp-slapped. The point that I'm trying to make is that while there are some uniform issues that need to be addressed, blatant hatred for Mesa and all of it's employees is a bit too much. Let's see if I have the list down; crapy contract bringing down the pay for everyone else, low time fo's, don't like the way we taxi, and our CEO's the anti-christ. That about it? Good. I'll get right on fixing all of that, right after I finish with the windbreaker thing.


Now let's all rally around something else and keep this guy from posting anymore "I'm the best dude in the world" BS:

The Truth said:
For some of the posters on this thread, do you really, truly, grasp how utterly immature and stupid you all sound? Seriously, in reading some of your responses, I try to think that you're being sarcastic, but sadly, you're not. It almost makes me ill to believe that the airline industry has resorted to hiring what appear to be such children.

And for someone who claims to be a professional to brag (publically!) about making $77K after being with a company for SIX YEARS! My gawd, it just proves how out-of-touch some of you are with how professionals are paid in today's business world. For instance, a 6-year engineer at my company makes approximately $150-$180K, and that's about industry average. Of course, that person comes from an educated background, which unfortunately is not the case by what I see here. And I would highly doubt that those people are spouting off about how much money they make, because in the regular world, that's not a lot.

Granted, the internet was in its infancy (that's eary stages to the GED crowd here) so there weren't forums such as this, but I can't recall such blatant childishness when I was at the regionals. I'm truly fortunate to fly a company jet for business/pleasure purposes, because I can't fathom to think of my life being in the hands of what I can only classify as children.

But carry on with the bashing and other sorts, this particular forum has become a favorite of mine to get a good laugh. And to think that you all are really trying to be serious!!...too much FUN!

Oh yeah, for whoever posted that they "fly and dress like real airline pilots", you almost made me spew my diet coke all over the keyboard! Too darn funny :laugh:

Mr. Truth, I am sorry that you almost spit your diet coke on your keyboard; next time please just choke on it.
 
BMoney...why the hostility? As a Mesa pilot, I would think that you would be the LAST one to be critical of me. If you review my history of posts, you'll find that I tend to defend the likes of Mesa quite often. It's not because I worked there, or had any affiliation, or even have a care in the world about Mesa in general. But I get a bit irritated when some posters continue to bash a particular pilot group for the troubles the industry is facing today. I simply want people to gain a better understanding of the rules (or lack thereof) in the business world, and start coming together to create positive change. Segregating each group, and bashing one another, does nothing but play right into management's hands.

I hold no "holier than thou" attitude...if you perceive it as being so, then I can do nothing to change your mind. I was once a regional pilot, left due to many factors, and feel extremely fortunate to have done so. One of those factors was the childish games that pilots played in always wanting to make a scapegoat for their own troubles. I don't particularly care for your CEO (and I doubt you feel much differently?) but I don't feel that the Mesa pilot group is solely responsible for "bringing down" the industry. Once again, as a Mesa pilot, I'm sure you're well aware of the shortcomings of your contract, and am certain that you wish change to occur to heal the reputation of your group throughout the industry. Namely, standing up to management and demanding a better contract. And getting rid of those windbreakers as well ;)

And you'll notice that I don't defend G*jets, due to the fact that I completely disagree with what they're doing, and feel they SHOULD indeed be held accoutable for continuing a downward trend in the industry. And that's putting it nicely.

I'm done rambling now
 
Inconceivable said:
Anyone else think that the windbreakers are all part of JO's master plan by using psyops against his employees?

Take away the "officer's" uniform that traditionally garnered respect from people.
Replace it with something McDonalds give shift supervisors to wear while supervising trash runs to the dumpster.
Prevent employee self-esteem in appearance.
Treat said employees like dogsh!t.
Low self-esteem employees accept it, after all they are "lucky" to have this blue collar job compared to other blue collar jobs.
Stand back and reap the profits.
Get arrested for insider trading again. (Wait, that's part of MY plan for him!)


Anyone think I'm off base?



No

PHXFLYR:cool:
 

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