Mesa pay scale

[flyallday]

I was wondering what is the pay for 1st year f/o, second year etc...

 

[ERJdca]

20.47=1st year
27.97=2nd
31.83=3rd
33.85=4th

 

[sidseal]

Good job to all you dumba@#es that voted yes. Thanks a lot, morons!

 

[jetdriven]

enjoy being a comedy-air FO for the next 6 years. I bet your three year FO pay isnt as much as our three year captains pay!

 

[sidseal]

Yea, you know what you are talking about. Last upgrade went 1yr 9mos. Enjoy being a friggin moron!

 

[ERJdca]

Guess no one has had enough of the mesa bashing. I agree it sucks, i didnt vote yes, ornstein was full of **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, but enough!!! **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** i gotta live with it do you? Are you a pre-strike comair, or post just curious? Did you guys grill eagle this much?

 

[AWACoff]

Shouldn't those payscales be on the 18 month cycle? I thought the raises were based on that. If that is the case, $33.85 per flight hour is actually 6TH year pay...not 4th. Remember that the "hourly" rate isn't based on actual flight time either. Why work for Mesa as a pilot when the rampers are making more?

 

[Freight Dog]

Why work for Mesa as a pilot when the rampers are making more?

I presume it's because 1000 hours of tug time doesn't come close to 1000 hours of jet time. Until pilots at regionals stop treating their airlines like stepping-stones, this trend will unfortunately continue.

 

[canadflyau]

Until pilots at regionals stop treating their airlines like stepping-stones, this trend will unfortunately continue.

Right On Freight Dog!!

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I would imagine in todays environment very few consider a regional airline a stepping stone to anything.

 

[Freight Dog]

I would imagine in todays environment very few consider a regional airline a stepping stone to anything.

I would too, but having more than one conversation with some of my friends at various regionals (Mesa included), they say they don't care how much they make because their airline "is not a career airline."

"I just want to build my time to move on, I'll care when I get to the career airline."

"Who cares about what happens at the regional level?"

I've heard all of those, and it's sad, but that attitude still persists. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[acaTerry]

.....I would too, but having more than one conversation with some of my friends at various regionals (Mesa included), they say they don't care how much they make because their airline "is not a career airline." .....

And never will be as long as people have this attitude. It's all done, so let's let it go so Mesa new-hires don't catch hell over something they had nothing to do with later. Better luck next time....

 

[AWACoff]

Yeah,
but the rampers are working more than 1000 hours per year. Remember, pilots on 30 seat and smaller equipment can work on the 135 flight time limitations which equals 1200 hours per year. Anyways, overtime is easy to pick up as a ramper. SO...with the average work week of 40hrs x 52...plus overtime. Yeah, the rampers are making the same if not more than some pretty senior pilots EDIT(read: FOs with a significant amount of people junior to them on the seniority list)EDIT at Mesa. Pathetic.

 

[mckpickle]

....... i gotta live with it do you? Are you a pre-strike comair, or post just curious? Did you guys grill eagle this much?

Your wrong, we do have to live with it when our companies say to us that we cannot get increases in work rules and pay because then we wouldnt be ablt to compete with you! You guys have cheapened the industry.

 

[bahjaus]

AWACoff said:

"but the rampers are working more than 1000 hours per year. Remember, pilots on 30 seat and smaller equipment can work on the 135 flight time limitations which equals 1200 hours per year. Anyways, overtime is easy to pick up as a ramper. SO...with the average work week of 40hrs x 52...plus overtime. Yeah, the rampers are making the same if not more than some pretty senior pilots at Mesa. Pathetic."

I don't know where you are coming up with your math. The most junior Mesa 50-seat jet captain was hired in February of 2000, that means he has a little more than 3 year seniority and is paid at year 4 rate with new contract: $55.99/hr.
1000 hrs per year --> $ 56,000 per year without counting per-diem.

According to my info, most airlines pay rampers at around $8-12/hr, at $12 * 40hrs * 52weeks = $24,960 per year.

Next time, think before you spit out false info.

 

[everyonedoa360]

Until pilots at regionals stop treating their airlines like stepping-stones, this trend will unfortunately continue.

While I don't want to get into a big pissing match on this and I'm not saying what mesa agreed to was correct, there seems to be a lot of pilots out there that seem to think that a regional pilot should be paid the same a major pilot. This cannot be anyplace near the truth. There is only so much money that a RJ, EMB120 or BE!900 can make for any company and with that there is only so much money a company can afford to pay a pilot. Just look at the majors and one of the main reasons they are in such a dire state is because pilots voted to keep giving them self's record pilot rates and the company was forced to give in. Now, they are paying for it. I bet 75% or so of the pilots at UAL would not have voted to give themselves a huge pay increase last time if they new it would bring them to there knees a few years later.

I would love to make 300K+ a year flying an RJ, but unless I work for a company that has no plans of staying in business it will (And should) not ever happen.

 

[LearLove]

"The most junior Mesa 50-seat jet captain was hired in February of 2000, that means he has a little more than 3 year seniority and is paid at year 4 rate with new contract: $55.99/hr.
1000 hrs per year --> $ 56,000 per year without counting per-diem."

feb 2000 DOH at the WO can't even hold a capt slot in the dash anymore. The most junior Capt DOH is now dec98/jan99.

That same downgraded FO is now at 27.01 at 1000 pay hours/year thats 27,000. 56-27 is 29000 diff, boy did we F*ckup. I'm gonna go cry now.

 

[wscrj]

Another AWACoff error...

Actually AWACoff, you're wrong again. Pay rates increase annually with DOH, the 18 month stipulation is for across the board pay raises.

I realize that you are upset with Mesa's new contract, but your responses reek of childish behaviour and gross exageration. Just how did you arrive at the idea that any ramper at Mesa makes more than a "pretty senior Mesa pilot." It's not even funny, it's buffoonery and it cheapens your reputation to those that read these boards for honest and well thought out opinions. A young boy can have an opinion....a man thinks before he speaks. I urge you to control yourself and realize that even though you are only one person, you identify yourself with Air Wisconsin and other readers can't help but make connections between the two. I happen to believe that most Air Whiskey pilots are professionals, and gentlemen at that...certainly the ones I have met (this board aside).

Again, you are all always welcome in my jumpseat. Even you AWACoff.

 

[wscrj]

Sidseal, where do you work?

 

[flyallday]

Mesa

How long does it take to upgrade to captian at Mesa?

 

[Freight Dog]

While I don't want to get into a big pissing match on this and I'm not saying what mesa agreed to was correct, there seems to be a lot of pilots out there that seem to think that a regional pilot should be paid the same a major pilot. This cannot be anyplace near the truth. There is only so much money that a RJ, EMB120 or BE!900 can make for any company and with that there is only so much money a company can afford to pay a pilot. Just look at the majors and one of the main reasons they are in such a dire state is because pilots voted to keep giving them self's record pilot rates and the company was forced to give in. Now, they are paying for it. I bet 75% or so of the pilots at UAL would not have voted to give themselves a huge pay increase last time if they new it would bring them to there knees a few years later.

I would love to make 300K+ a year flying an RJ, but unless I work for a company that has no plans of staying in business it will (And should) not ever happen.

No pissing contest... but you are just wrong. First of all, you are going from one extreme to another. Contrary to your belief as well as the opinion of many misinformed, UAL's misfortunes were hardly due to industry-leading contract their pilots had at that time. The problem was management, and even now continues to be management. If you look at UAL's past investments, failed USAirways merger, Avolar fiasco, failed business plan/pricing, you'll see that those were specific cases of gross mismanagement. But that's another story altogether.

While I realize that you won't see RJ pilots make $300k, there is nothing wrong with them making 100k, and FO's being in 60k range. Maybe you can check DC-9 rates at NWA. Mesa is flying 70 and 90 seat jets. Comparable. What about AA F-100's? OK, so those were mainline rates. Take a look at Comair rates vs. Mesa rates.

The regionals have evolved from flying Chieftains to flying 90 seat jets. While regionals used to be stepping stones to the heavy iron, it just no longer seems to be the case, nor would it be necessary had the pilots at those regionals have the cajones to make their airlines become career airlines. My hat is off to Comair and Air Wisconsin pilots for willingness to put their jobs on the line to make their airlines become career airlines. Mesa pilots obviously dropped the ball. Let's hope their actions don't drag the rest of the regionals into the race to the bottom.

 

[AWACoff]

First of all, I never stated as fact the 18 month raises. I "thought" that's what they were. I was incorrect and a person more educated about the contract than I corrected me. Thank you. About the rampers...unless you've got over 2 years at mesa, you're an F.O. making horrible pay. There are rampers (not all of them by any means) making more than you after you've been at a company for 2 years! I consider 2 years pretty senior (that would put you pretty deep into the mesa list). Should our paychecks as pilots be only a few thousand more a year (assuming the ramper isn't working any overtime)? You guys worked hard for your ratings and spent a lot of money to go to school. It is a sad day when we equate our value to that of a ramper. Before anyone says, "but my dad is/was a ramper"...I was a ramper at one time as well. They typically don't have 4 year degrees though and anyone with a GED and common sense can be a ramper. Is LearLove one of the few mesa guys that actually understands how poor of a contract you guys settled for?

 

[ERJdca]

No, i am one as well. All i was i didn'tsaying is, even though vote it in, i was just getting sick of the mesa bashing. I understand what all you guys are saying(trust me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), i just got sick of the same comments! I really think you guys were going overboard with it. Especially the threats with the jumpseat.

nite guys!
disgruntled mesa f/o.


PS. i do make more than the rampers, i can assure you that!

 

[ERJdca]

man its getting late, i meant.... even though i did not vote it in




gnite

 

[jetdriven]

Re: Mesa

How long does it take to upgrade to captian at Mesa?

beech is about 2.5 yrs and junior jet CA is on the ERJ at 4 years.

 

[jerichka]

Hey guys, this is quite a debate you're waging. Hope I'm not intruding or straying from the theme, but, is this why Mesa is able to offer an interview to a 300TT pilot? I'm just finishing my comm/Inst./multi and considering their PACE program. I'm 35 and don't want to instruct. I want to get on the flightline ASAP. Low pay doesn't seem to bother me at this point. I just want a job.

IS PACE a good option?

 

[LearLove]

UMMMM hello........

"Is LearLove one of the few mesa guys that actually understands how poor of a contract you guys settled for?"

Is it me, or isn't it quite obvious that I work for Allegheny. Look to the left.

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Something I'd like to point out to some guys around here. Not to sound like a jerk or plug my own pilot group but newer guys to the regional industry are always pointing to Air Wiss and Comair guys for pushing limit when it comes to contracts. While this is correct and they deserve all the credit and reward that is due, I'd like to bring attention to the grey haired 20+ year Capt. sitting in a PDT or ALG Dash that started it all while many of us were still in high school. Please research mid 80's on to get the full history.

I mean were talking individual guys with more total time than combined total time of the whole Chit Taco first officer seniority list.

So next time you hear/see a old man flyin a Dash around or give props to Air Wiss/Comair, please give credit where the orginal credit is due. Thanks

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Jerichka - there is nothing in this world worth doing thats easy. Please do not shortcut yourself.

LearLove - commin at you from sunny Key West baby.

 

[WSurf]

True LearLove,

I'm a Piemont pilot and love listening to the stories of the past. These guys had back bones!! Remember having a SkyWest Captain jumpseat and said that they were fight to get what Piedmont had as work rules. Makes you proud to fly with these guys. Parking airplanes to get food (Which gave us Crew Meals). About not backing down on what they wanted in there contract. I think Piedmont was the first regional to get Block or Better. Fighting for CX and MX pay!! Even taxi pay to repo an airplane. If I take a ICE Test home or any written to do it on my own time I get paid. We still have that unity along with a great work rules, but now are bargining ability sucks because we have to compete with Contract scum.
Hopefully we (PDT,ALG) will rise to the Top again. Thank god we have Companies like Comair, ACA, Willy and some others that can take the ball we gave them and run with it.

PS: If Henson the Founder of Piedmont saw what has happen to is old company I think he would be spinning in his grave.

 

[jetdriven]

About the rampers...unless you've got over 2 years at mesa, you're an F.O. making horrible pay. There are rampers (not all of them by any means) making more than you after you've been at a company for 2 years! I consider 2 years pretty senior (that would put you pretty deep into the mesa list). Should our paychecks as pilots be only a few thousand more a year (assuming the ramper isn't working any overtime)? You guys worked hard for your ratings and spent a lot of money to go to school. It is a sad day when we equate our value to that of a ramper.

actually 2 years at mesa isnt crap. I have just flipped over at 2 years and I am about 950 out of the 1200 pilots here. Yes I am still a Beech FO too, and made 20K last year.

 

[LearLove]

jetdriven are you a downgraded capt because you list a 1900 type but say your an FO? I didn't think Mesa downgraded anyone or still had guys downgraded.