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[tyler24]

So all this talk of China is crap for union stuff. i think that JO paid off a couple of Chinese ******************************s too kill off union deals for the pilots and truthfully it makes sick. I dont care what airline you fly for this S#$t has to stop. I made less money last year than my wife who has a part time job at sears at the mall until we finally settle in. Im new to this but why is ALPA being so discrete as to Comair and Mesa?

 

[Soverytired]

You seem to know more about the China stuff than any Mesa pilot that I know of. Please enlighten us. (no sarcasm, and I'm not kidding)

Right now, it just sounds like JO is spending company money and sending some technical expertise to start up a CRJ operation in China. Mesa will at most be a 25% owner of any new airline there (China has similar foreign ownership restrictions), and will act as a facilitator to leasing CRJ's to China until they get their own China built CRJ (circa 2010). No doubt he will personally pocket a % of each airplane lease (rumored to have done that with each new plane Mesa has leased over the past 6 years)

While I personally think it's a cock-a-mainy idea, airlines (and business in general) use their assets to play the stock market and chase other investments all the time. The article JO had in the NYT JO was quoted as saying he was "afraid he was being to cautious" . . . well, here's a nice risky play.

I also think this isn't "union stuff". JO holds unions (and labor in general) beneath contempt. They don't even register on his radar as a threat. To be fair, I don't think he's worked at ANY airline where he wasn't taught otherwise.

(Yet)

 

[joschmo]

Don't forget that those Chinese pilots will probably get their training at MAPD. Just another way for JO to make a buck off this deal.

 

[bustinmins]

Don't forget that those Chinese pilots will probably get their training at MAPD. Just another way for JO to make a buck off this deal.

After finally escaping Mesa after 9 years and 9 months I can tell you this. If you follow the money - you'll always know what JO is planning.

XYV

 

[Brazilgun]

I used to work for Mesa and recently left. Mesa is sending Check Airmen to China. Operations in China will be up and running by December. Chinese pilots will be trained by Mesa ( I don't know where). Only Check Airmen and very few Captains will fly those planes initially. Then it goes all to the Chinese workforce. This deal is just in time for JO to start his talk of "we gotta get a cheap contract or we gonna have to furlough".
If you remove 20 CRJ's from the fleet but keep the pilots here, now you have excessive number of pilots. With that in hand he expects the pilot group to bend over again....
We will see what happens......:uzi:

 

[Flyer1015]

Wait, so with this China deal, Mesa won't (or can't?) send pilots to China (besides the check airmen)?

The deal calls for Chinese pilots to fly those CRJs?

 

[b19]

Good luck to you guys the next contract is going to be very ugly, be prepared.

 

[SEVEN]

Good luck to you guys the next contract is going to be very ugly, be prepared.

It can't get much worse can it?


:uzi: MESA:smash:

 

[b19]

Read Flying The Line Volumes I&II, and Hard Landing, and expect all that and worse.

Look at how ugly and abusive it has been while times have been good and there has been growth. Just imagine when the union starts asking JO for more money, a liveable wage for FO's, and more days off for some quality of life. Ask the pilots at Mesaba what to expect. Start asking ALPA what kind of help they will provide. Start planning on a temporary job or some side work.

You guys fought hard for Scope last time, this time it's for real, money and QOL.

I don't and have never worked for Mesa but I believe what happens at the bottom affects all of us, because that is where we all face the danger of backsliding to. Every other airline will look and say "hey maybe we can get away with that". Narrow bodies at the Majors will all but disappear, it will be LCC's and Mesa's. I am in a widebody, but stupidly wish that there was a future in this industry for my kids, and I mean more than driving a 90 seater, several legs a day.

Good luck your fight affects all of us, sooner or later.

 

[Brazilgun]

Wait, so with this China deal, Mesa won't (or can't?) send pilots to China (besides the check airmen)?

The deal calls for Chinese pilots to fly those CRJs?

I don't know if they can or can't, but I know they won't. Last time I was in recurrent at Mesa, the ground instructor had power point presentations about this whole China deal. It was concerning the research they had done about China, and one paragraph reads: "China is currently training XXX chinese pilots in the US. That does not yet include our pilots...Finding Visas for them will not be hard...."
This slide show was a research JO had asked to be done about the aviation industry in China and it's pilots.
Besides that, with two MESA crew flying those planes in China, how do we communicate with our flight attendants, ground personal, etc... At least one on the cockpit needs to speak Chinese and I guarantee you not too many people at Mesa speaks Chinese.
This whole deal is so JO has a place to use his CRJ 200's that we are losing from America West and some United. For him is a good deal since he is only leasing them the aircraft and "helping out" starting the airline. After that he gets his paycheck every month from leasing and the pilot group gets f.....:angryfire

 

[rickair7777]

I don't know if they can or can't, but I know they won't. Last time I was in recurrent at Mesa, the ground instructor had power point presentations about this whole China deal. It was concerning the research they had done about China, and one paragraph reads: "China is currently training XXX chinese pilots in the US. That does not yet include our pilots...Finding Visas for them will not be hard...."
This slide show was a research JO had asked to be done about the aviation industry in China and it's pilots.
Besides that, with two MESA crew flying those planes in China, how do we communicate with our flight attendants, ground personal, etc... At least one on the cockpit needs to speak Chinese and I guarantee you not too many people at Mesa speaks Chinese.
This whole deal is so JO has a place to use his CRJ 200's that we are losing from America West and some United. For him is a good deal since he is only leasing them the aircraft and "helping out" starting the airline. After that he gets his paycheck every month from leasing and the pilot group gets f.....:angryfire

Chinese airlines typically have a Political Officer/Flight Monitor in the jumpseat as a required crew member (seriously). Presumably he would be able to speak english, and keep an eye on the round-eye's.

It wouldn't surprise if the FA's have tp speak english anyway.

 

[Brazilgun]

Chinese airlines typically have a Political Officer/Flight Monitor in the jumpseat as a required crew member (seriously). Presumably he would be able to speak english, and keep an eye on the round-eye's.

It wouldn't surprise if the FA's have tp speak english anyway.

Rickair,
I saw the powerpoint presentation myself. Mesa has no desire on flying american pilots on a "chinese" airline It will be Chinese pilots. On the beginning you might see few mesa pilots, but it will go away after couple months.:beer:

 

[dingo222]

there is no shortage of chinese pilots that speak english. I had almost all taiwanese students as a cfi, and they all left the us after training to go home and step right into an airbus or 73. The only reason that more of them don't work here is becuase they cant get a sponsor for a work visa. If mesa wants english speaking chinese pilots, all they would have to do is sponsor them at a place like MAPD. There are tons of them out there waiting to come to the land of the big walmart for flight training.

 

[tyler24]

hey i dont give a sh%^ anymore i got hired at chautaqua. well atleast its better than mesa