MESA NEEDS PILOTS ASAP! Street-Hire D8 Captains . . .

[Soverytired]

(ok, posting this on flightinfo is like begging someone to kick you in the nuts, but . . .)

Apparently, nobody at Mesa wants to take a paycut to fly the Dash for Delta (or fly for Freedom, or hates living on the east coast, or some/all the above)

Fresh from the Mesa Air Group web page:

http://www.mesa-air.com/default.asp?nav1=1

Mesa Air Group, Inc. is hiring over 100 captains and first officers by the end of the month.
April 12, 2006 - If you are interested in applying for these pilot positions, please click here.


http://www.mesa-air.com/pilot_positions.asp?nav1=5&nav2=17

Pilot Positions
Mesa is seeking over 100 captains and first officers for immediate openings in the Northeast. Captain applicants must have ATP. First Officers must meet minimum time requirements. Click here to apply.

Thank you for your interest in a Flight Officer position with Mesa and Air Midwest Airlines. Our pilots fly Canadair Regional Jets (200/700/900), Embraer Regional Jets (145), de Havilland Dash 8's, and Beechcraft 1900D's as America West Express, United Express, or US Airways Express.
To be considered for a pilot position, all applicants must meet the qualifications listed to continue the application process. Our team evaluates online applications on a regular basis and extends interview invitations on a competitive basis. Each candidate is evaluated on quality of flight training, operational experience and quantity of hours flown before an interview invitation is extended.

 

[Smoke Toliet]

For $38 hr.....

 

[smfav8r]

For $38 hr.....

$38 an hour, that sucks unless the min monthly pay hours is 200. What is reserve gar?

 

[WSurf]

For $38 hr.....

Very Sad!!

 

[Soverytired]

What's your dignity worth????

Here's the pay . . . . 70/hr bid guarantee, 13 bids per calendar year . . . you can do the math . . .

Current rates for the Dash-8's: (go up roughly .80 cents in 18 months)

Year_____CA's______Bi-atch (fo)


1 39.16 18.88
2 40.68 21.22
3 42.16 22.87
4 43.89 24.58
5 45.46 25.30
6 47.05 (congrats fo! you maxed out)
7 48.36
8 49.71
9 51.05
10 52.38
11 53.81
12 54.98
13 55.82
14 56.69
15 (congrats CA! You maxed out!)


1.25/hr per diem.

Reserve 70 hr guarantee w 8 days off every 28. Also, as long as you're back in base by 0200 AM on your "day off". . . .it counts as a "day off". Blech.

Lineholder 70hr guarantee w minimum 10 days off every 28 (almost never more than 12 though)

Flying picked up on your scant days off is at 1.5 base hourly rate.

3 Year seat lock for CA's. Turboprop fence for fo's = either upgrade to jet CA or turboprop CA . . . . you can't move sideways to jet fo. (company can waive this fence at it's discrection)

Congrats = tongue in cheek.

 

[khsgt]

Mesa Street CA's

I posted this in another thread.....
Guys,
There are quite a few issues that exist that is creating the need for street captains at Mesa. We have training "silos" that prevent equipment movement from one to another (ex 1900 fo can only go to 1900 ca or jet ca, not jet fo or Dash ca). You can only move up on the list, TP FO - Your current equipment CA - Jet CA. Jet FO can only go Jet CA. The company for the purpose of this dash bidding has lifted a majority of the restrictions (ERJ crews are hosed). Anybody awarded a Dash Captain spot will have an 18 month seat lock, and right now Jet captain is going junior to that by a little bit (14-16 months for ERJ, 24-26 months CRJ). So...even a newhire right now will hold Jet CA before their seat lock would be up on the dash. Due to the Mesa pilot development program we have numerous pilots that are nowhere near flight time requirements, and we have a bunch of pilots that want nothing to do with any base East of the Mississippi. We have been hiring street captains on the Beech since August, and the Dash is next. It would not suprise me entirely for Jet captain (Both ERJ & CRJ) to drop substantially below their current levels. We are needing upwards of 50 Captains on the Dash right now that we do not have the pilots for.

 

[Soverytired]

Yeah, I saw it in that thread, but that thread was getting out of control on numerous tangents.

Plus, the company just put this up on their website today.

I find it interesting that the company is willing to waive the 2500hr ICAO PIC requirement. Tough luck if you a have to divert to Canada, eh?

They must really be desperate.

 

[smfav8r]

So for a street captain on the Dash, you would make $35,635.60 in your first year based somewhere on the East Coast that isn't cheap to live....$30 a day for per diem will get you two meals with a little bit of beer money.

What in the he?? has this industry come too. Unskilled labor can make close to that in the first year driving a forklift.

Just said!

 

[propsarebest]

anyone know where Mesa is getting the dashes from??

 

[Soverytired]

Think (hope?) a means to an end. . . .

So for a street captain on the Dash, you would make $35,635.60 in your first year based somewhere on the East Coast that isn't cheap to live....$30 a day for per diem will get you two meals with a little bit of beer money.

Well, that's the minimum guarantee, yes. But you'll probably fly more like 80-85 hours per bid, so figure closer to $40k, I guess.

Barely liveable, I agree. And unlike majors, your pay dosen't noticably increase after your first year probation.

How would you like to be an FO at $19/hr? Yikes.

 

[blzr]

........And be based in New York? How would that be possible? That would truely suck!

 

[ABITRATOR]

There are no words to describe such a thing. I which nobody applies for the position.

 

[Soverytired]

Well, not NYC, exactly . . . .

........And be based in New York? How would that be possible? That would truely suck!

ORF,PHL,SYR,ALB,PVD,BDL,RIC,BWI

5 CA & 5 FO'S PER BASE, EXCEPT ORF, WHICH GETS 10 EACH.

 

[smfav8r]

Well, that's the minimum guarantee, yes. But you'll probably fly more like 80-85 hours per bid, so figure closer to $40k, I guess.

Barely liveable, I agree. And unlike majors, your pay dosen't noticably increase after your first year probation.

How would you like to be an FO at $19/hr? Yikes.

Your not kidding, that works out to about $8 and change per hour at a 40 hour per week job. Home Depot pays more.

Thing is, it's not just Mesa that pays this bad, most of the regionals do.

I just don't get it!

 

[Otto Coarsen]

It is unlivable if you have a family and rely on one income. It would be irresponsible to take such a job if this is you. I made 39,133 My first year as a Dash Capt and was on par to make slightly more my second. Sucks yes, but those be the facts.

If you're single, live frugally, and want to get in and out with 1000 Turbine PIC in 1-2 years, jump on the opportunity. Don't plan on commuting very far. With the schedules this will not be easy. If you're the type that gets frusterated, angry, pi$$ed off and the like this job is not for you. Mesa will get to you, and it will happen fast.

If you are mellow, single, not easily rattled, have a money making spouse, have low blood pressure, and have no plans to retire from a regional. Get on it. Opportunities like this ARE few and far between.

 

[av8er2]

Don't do it.

I hope that no one does it. If they can't fill the spots, then they will have to come up with something better.

I know someone that used to work there and he said Mesa is a really bad place to work. Even if you want the PIC time do you want to be unhappy for a year or more.

Sounds like Mesa is headed for some accidents with inexperienced crews!!!!

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Right... Just like them and the rest of the regionals who hire <1000 hour pilots.... Always crashing.... It's rediculous.... I know.

Some day you'll figure out that all regionals are the same... Including yours..

 

[buckeyes95]

mesa

How can anyone justify working for mesa? It is the pilot's at mesa that I hold responsible for the low pay in the regionals. They need to stand up for themselves and have some pride in the profession. Demand pay that is on par with the job that you do and the education required to get it.

 

[Jbitzer]

education? I went to ERAU and I wish I had my money back and a real degree so when I get laid-off (the real word for furloughed) I can get a better job then asst manager at Blockbuster

 

[Otto Coarsen]

It is the pilot's at mesa that I hold responsible for the low pay in the regionals.

Then you, son need to become better ejamacated. Who do you work for?

Pay at the regionals has ALWAYS been low.. Way before Mesa even existed. You think the pilots from PBA, BIZEX, the once-many subsidiaries of American Eagle, Florida Gulf, WestJet, Bar-Harbor, Comair, Skywest, Ransom, etc etc were making decent money??

Not just no, but HE!!s no.

I understand you feel the need to blame, but you're blaming the wrong entity. Blame the advent of the RJ, blame the internet, blame Frank Lorenzo, blame deregulation, blame greedy ALPA. You're barking up the wrong tree pal.

Regionals were once a stepping stone for the up and coming and a graveyard for the tarnished. Regional pilots bunked on crew room hammocks, lived with their parents, drove jalopies, and awaited the day Delta was going to call. Those same guys grew up and decided they didn't want RJ's on their property so along came the jet-age regional. Suddenly the jet-a got into the pilots brain and SJS came to be. RJ pilots flying mainline routes decided they should be higher paid, but their management groups still see the airline as a regional.

If you want to retire from your regional, then I'm sorry... I don't sympathize with you one iota when you continually get shafted. It you want to make a living either quit aviation, or strive to move on to greener pastures.

Rant over..

 

[WSurf]

If you want to retire from your regional, then I'm sorry... I don't sympathize with you one iota when you continually get shafted. It you want to make a living either quit aviation, or strive to move on to greener pastures.

Rant over..

I agree with a lot of what you say. However by flying these RJ's at lower then industry standards and with work rules that suck, kinda makes it harder to go to greener pastures. Why should mainline expand when they can add CRJ 900's and give a FO 21.00 an hour and no block or better which comes out to less then 20k a year!! Now you have just replaced a mainline aircraft and have made everyones journey to greener pastures tuffer.
Bottom line is that we need to get pay up! So when a contract comes around don't belly over and give in to crap pay and crummy QOL.
I don't put all the blame on Mesa... It used to be that thinking, I will get on with a regional, upgrade and be at a major in 4 years!!! Those days are gone for awhile and if we keep getting bigger RJ's and flying for peanuts we will be screwing ourselfs.
Bottom line!!! This industry is one Backstabbing piece of shi$, and our greed is our worst enemy!

 

[mamba20]

Surf is right. I'm actually seriously considering it. With my current situation there is no chance of an upgrade and I'm at a pretty bad place. This is a chance for me to actually do something good for my career rather then some more of that valuble SIC time.

Surf couldnt be more right about these RJ's. They may be fun to fly but in truth they suck, with so many people getting SJS it has killed it for all of us. We can only hope that cooler heads will prevail with a younger generation.

 

[Steve]

Can any Mesa pilots comment on how much they fly on average?

 

[sleeves]

If you want to retire from your regional, then I'm sorry... I don't sympathize with you one iota when you continually get shafted. It you want to make a living either quit aviation, or strive to move on to greener pastures.

Rant over..

That is the proplem, MGT. knows that if you will fly 40 seats for nothing chasing the carrot of better pay someday, then you will fly 90 or 150 or 200 seats for nothing. Pretty soon that great job you have been chasing by flying around for nothing has disappeared, but you are too old to find a new career and now just make nothing.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

That is the proplem, MGT. knows that if you will fly 40 seats for nothing chasing the carrot of better pay someday, then you will fly 90 or 150 or 200 seats for nothing. Pretty soon that great job you have been chasing by flying around for nothing has disappeared, but you are too old to find a new career and now just make nothing.

My point was that this is nothing new. Regionals have always paid crap. Industry hiring cycles vary decade to decade, and believe it or not UAL will hire again too. I won't disagree that regionals should pay "more" thats a fact. They should, but it's silly to think that the regionals are any diferent now that they fly jets.

I wish RJs never came to the regionals. I think they belong at mainline too.

As for the perpetual statement of growing balls, to a pilot group... It's not this simple. I can tell you first hand that pilot groups in general, are lurkers with opinions. Usually there is a vocal minority and a vast majority who are unwilling to step up to the plate to try and change things. Does it have anything to do with balls? not really.... It has everything to do with being content, trying to move on to other things, and/or a realization that for the most part, pilots hold very few cards in negotiating if any...

 

[ReverseSensing]

As for the perpetual statement of growing balls, to a pilot group... It's not this simple. I can tell you first hand that pilot groups in general, are lurkers with opinions. Usually there is a vocal minority and a vast majority who are unwilling to step up to the plate to try and change things. Does it have anything to do with balls? not really.... It has everything to do with being content, trying to move on to other things, and/or a realization that for the most part, pilots hold very few cards in negotiating if any...

Sadly, this is about the truest thing ever posted on FI.com. Just because we're a bunch internet hot-heads, and we waste way too much time blabbing on here, doesn't mean even a slim minority of pilots understand these issues or care. Too bad. Every airline needs more FI.com addicts. (I can't believe I just typed that.)

 

[Otto Coarsen]

That is the proplem, MGT. knows that if you will fly 40 seats for nothing chasing the carrot of better pay someday, then you will fly 90 or 150 or 200 seats for nothing. Pretty soon that great job you have been chasing by flying around for nothing has disappeared, but you are too old to find a new career and now just make nothing.

Your point is valid... The flaw is that there is always someone willing to fly for free... It is a damn shame, but it's how it is. I wish pilots could gain leverage, but I just don't see how it can happen.

I believe the only way is to heavily regulate GA and training. Make getting the certs harder. How about a EU style ATP written? The other thing that I FEEL SHOULD BE MANDATORY is an ATP to fly 121 PIC OR SIC. Should be a Airline Transport Pilot to fly Airline transports IMO. I don't think this will happen either though.. The FAA has a duty per their mission statement to "Promote Aviation" ... Not restrict it...

 

[Larcifer]

Funny how people can talk themselves into anything. Work for nothing in hopes of getting the "dream job" which no longer exists. Hoping for 100K today settling on 75K tomorrow. People will be lined up like New Orleans hurricane victims at the welfare office trying to get a capt. job at Mesa. When will the insanity end?

 

[ReverseSensing]

either though.. The FAA has a duty per their mission statement to "Promote Aviation" ... Not restrict it...

Not to split hairs, but they jettisoned the Promote thing a while back. The FAA's current mission is:

Our Mission
Our mission is to provide the safest, most efficient aerospace system in the world.

http://www.faa.gov/about/mission/

 

[Soverytired]

Results may vary . . ..

Can any Mesa pilots comment on how much they fly on average?

80/hrs per bid period is a good rule of thumb.

They can also go as high as 95, and as low as 26 (very rare, you still get paid 70, but you better like wasting your life at work sleeping on aircraft)

Supplemental income can be picked up on your days off . . . 1.5 OT on days off. . . . over and above the 70.

One other thing . . .the optimum base/domicile size seems to be between 5-15 crews. Lines and days off tend to be alot better. Much bigger, and the schedules rapidly diverge between great lines and lots of steaming piles of ********************.