Mesa must be stopped

[OneTuffGuy]

This has to stop MESA must not take flying from anyone anymore. It is total bulls**t that they can do it for so cheap and the rest of us suffer. I would not work at MESA if it was the last airline in the world. All carriers that are ALPA need to stand together and stop this crap. Our union dues are basically going to help MESA get more planes and grow while the rest of us lose our jobs or take more concessions. Next time your paycheck shows your ALPA Dues think about how little that has helped you and how MESA will now fly more planes for US Airways that could of been flown by a wholly owned or mid atlantic. I hope everyone who works at MESA can sleep good at night while the rest of us stay up trying to figure out how to lie on our resumes so we can get jobs pouring concrete.

 

[jetdriven]

wake up, it's a free market economy. Did you think we live in Russia?? Hello?? The airlines were deregulated in 1978. People like you seem to have forgotten that.

 

[azpilot]

wake up, it's a free market economy. Did you think we live in Russia?? Hello?? The airlines were deregulated in 1978. People like you seem to have forgotten that.

I agree, it is a sad but true statement. How many jobs have Southwest, JetBlue, AirTrain, HP, etc taken away from other major carriers? While there is no comparison to pay at Mesa to these carriers on a relative scale it is still a free market economy. Wall Street wants to see profits and will use airline employees as the scape goat to return to profitibilty. The general public wants to fly for free or near free so something has to break. Let's up things improve some in the next few years so when contract negotiations begin again pilots stand a chance. Otherwise I don't think there is much anyone can do.

 

[stillaboo]

All carriers that are ALPA need to stand together and stop this crap. Next time your paycheck shows your ALPA Dues think about how little that has helped you . . .

Perhaps we are forgetting that ALPA negotiatied and signed off on the Mesa contract. What's the point of being unionized if we, as pilots, can't all work together? Demand that ALPA stop agreeing to concessions everywhere. The business is all going to go to ALPA carriers, so there is no reason ALPA should be conceeding $ to managment (who aren't taking concessions and bad-mouthing each other. Is it coincidence that their compensation is going up? NO!)

Stop the concessions. Hold the line. Small gains will eventually add up.

-Boo!

 

[hhab]

"Next time your paycheck shows your ALPA Dues think about how little that has helped you and how MESA will now fly more planes for US Airways that could of been flown by a wholly owned or mid atlantic."


Dude, This expansion is most (very) likely expansion allready agreed on between Mesa and U under USAirways LOA 83 (some 5-6 months ago..)
Not familiar with LOA83? Then first tone down your language and educate yourself........

 

[OneTuffGuy]

jetdriven let me guess you work for mesa?

I agree we need to stand together and ALPA needs to help us. Things will keep getting worse before they get better if this trend continues. My main point is that MESA needs to STOP taking jobs (routes) from other carriers that already have them. I heard a pilot the other day in a crew room say that there is no way a MESA pilot will ride his jumpseat because he will be out of a job because of them.

 

[hhab]

"My main point is that MESA needs to STOP taking jobs (routes) from other carriers that already have them."

Hmm. Let see...who took over Mesas flying when UAL kicked Mesa out. Who took over Mesas large CMH base...We also have a list over lost flying but I will never lower my level and talk down on other pilots ( except the first Freedom ones.... ) Serves absolutely NO PURPOSE>>>>


What flying belongs to whom.....There can be an awfully long list of arguments here...lets include some Mainline pilots as well.........

Seriously, I know what you mean but something is outside a pilot groups controll.

 

[LR25]

Stillaboo, thats an awsome avatar!

OK, back to Mesa.

 

[Rank&File]

Originally posted by TuffGuy:
I heard a pilot the other day in a crew room say that there is no way a MESA pilot will ride his jumpseat because he will be out of a job because of them.

Shame on them. Since when does a pilot choose what routes his airline flies? I see no reason to deny a jumpseat to a fellow pilot because of the actions of management. Click here if you think that Mesa pilots don't deserve a jumpseat.

 

[stillaboo]

jetdriven let me guess you work for mesa?

I agree we need to stand together and ALPA needs to help us. Things will keep getting worse before they get better if this trend continues.

You agree? Then why did you not say anything to this guy below?

I heard a pilot the other day in a crew room say that there is no way a MESA pilot will ride his jumpseat because he will be out of a job because of them.

We need to all work together. Taking out your frustations on a guy just trying to get to work or home is NOT how to solve this.

Pilots do NOT revoke JS's from other pilots. We are better than that. Stop the pettiness, kids.

-Boo!

 

[Machdog1]

Isn't it funny how there is all this MESA hate out there, its great!!

 

[skydrvr]

Ah yes MESA...the bottom feeder the scum of scum....the spineless ..... "but we Had to take the contract" you people didn't have to take that BS contract you could have fought to keep the industry standard on the up and up......"but Freedom Air would have taken our jobs"........WWWWAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Spineless!
(excluding those that voted no)

Then their is mgmt.......no comment.

 

[DoinTime]

Perhaps we are forgetting that ALPA negotiatied and signed off on the Mesa contract.

ALPA negotiated Mesa's contract??? What was the role of your MEC appointed negotiation committee??? Who voted in your MEC officers that appointed that negotiation committee??? The fact is that the MESA pilot group negotiated that contract and ultimately ratified it by a strong majority. It was not a concessionary deal so D.W. had no legal right to not sign off on it such was the case with CCAir. The pilot group at Mesa is the only one to blame for setting regional pilots back 10 years.

The sooner you guys realize this the sooner you will see what ALPA CAN do for you.

 

[avrodriverj85]

Hey Jetdriven

With comments like that you are no different than these greedy CEO's that are running this countrys airlines into the ground.

Enjoy the growth while you have it because one day it will come crashing down around you and the rest of the pilot industry will be laughing with ZERO sympathy at your pathetic asses over at Mesa for the hole you've dug for yourselves. I just hope it happens sooner than later. Free economy - my ass! More like a cancer ... you mesa guys are screwing the rest of us in the back.

 

[stillaboo]

The pilot group at Mesa is the only one to blame for setting regional pilots back 10 years.

This is exactly what I mean. Regional pilots are constantly blaming someone else, constantly complaining. If it's not someone blaming Mesa for not getting a large enough raise, it's Mesa blaming them for signing concessions. Are we adults or children?

The sooner you guys realize this the sooner you will see what ALPA CAN do for you.

ALPA most recently gave jets destined for furloughs at U to Mesa. U is one of the most pro-ALPA carriers around, and that is what ALPA did for them, just today. I don't believe there is a single Mesa pilot who thinks MidAtlantic losing this flying to them is a good thing (well, after surfing the Mesa boards, I have yet to find one).

ALPA is nothing if all it's pilots are constantly chop blocking each other to get ahead.

All of us need to look in the mirror. We are ALPA. We are responsible for the current work rules, the current pay, and all that currently sucks! And we can overcome this by joining together as one, or we can fight amounst ourselves like Afghan warlords, each trying to take over the other's territory.

The ball is in ALL of our courts.

-Boo!

 

[avrodriverj85]

Hey Boo -

Nice speech but you need to wake up and realize that this is bigger than ALPA. It all starts at the top of the chain and in my estimation it appears that ole' Duane at ALPA has his head up his ass and doesn't have a clue what to do with these alter-ego carriers and the like, much less the regionals.

(small-jets, ALPA Express) - all monikers to separate us further from mainline - all failed too.. we can only go as far as our representation and while they are supposed to work for us, we are also constantly brainwashed in believing that it is the other way around. "read flying the line - ALPA knows what it's doing" BLAH BLAH BLAH......

Well, the CEO's and their slick lawyers seem to have it figured out and they are running with the ball and getting rich doing it. They are also playing on weak pilot groups that are easily intimidated by bullys. ALPA National doesn't have a clue how to fight it, because they are still trying to figure out how to save mainline jobs and keep their coffers full.

Yeah, some say the RJDC is a bad idea. That's a group of pilots that finally said 'enough was enough' and decided to fight back. so I guess there are a few groups with a just cause.

 

[flyhard]

Hey Tuffguy,

Quit blaming your tuff times on Mesa. Like the earlier post explained, you do not see Southwest, Jblu, Airtran being called bottom feeders and all this other bull$hit for being low cost. Sounds like you need a little talk with your management to figure out how your airline is going to survive in this changing world. Either you get cheap or get the fuc* out. That is how I see it.

And by the way I have never worked for Mesa. Just get tired of reding the bull$hit excuses.

 

[avrodriverj85]

Hey FlyHard

Then don't read the posts if you get sick of reading them.

It's like porn - if it offends you then don't watch it, but don't ruin it for everyone else.

 

[stillaboo]

the rest of the pilot industry will be laughing with ZERO sympathy at your pathetic asses over at Mesa for the hole you've dug for yourselves.

Mesa managment, not the pilots, are the ones who signed up for all this growth. My understanding is the pilots at Mesa think they're short-staffed on all equipment right now. They don't even know what short-staffed is!

Mesa, in the last 2 weeks, has lost 5 jets and gained up to 130, plus 8 Dash 8-200's. And that's not even counting their growth with HP. With no pilots in the pipe-line, and short-staffed already . . . it will be interesting, for sure.

It boggles the mind how Mesa can get 130 jets and ACA can get none. Interestingly, virtually all Mesa FO's will upgrade due to this growth (if they can keep it), making the pilots who voted in the 'crappy Mesa contract' the highest paid pilot group in the regionals! Of course, there will be all those new FO's, but they didn't vote in the contract, they will merely work under it (and get "ZERO sympathy" from 'avrodriverj85'). The real kicker is many of the guys who are screaming bloody murder about the Mesa contract may eventually find themselves furloughed, and the only place hiring will be Mesa, forcing them to be the FO's who suffer under the contract.

Most would say that they would never work for those wages. We'll see. I'm betting that there will soon be a huge divide in the Mesa pilot group b/t those who voted in the contract (who are all sitting pretty in the left seat of an RJ) and those in the right seat or on the props.

U-N-I-T-Y may be much harder to find in the cockpit of a Mesa RJ then a popped breaker soon.

-Boo!

 

[avrodriverj85]

Boo

Ever heard of Newtons 3rd Law?

1980's stock market, 1990's Internet Bubble, etc... history is full of bubbles that eventually burst. Mesa will be no different.