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TheStreet.com
Mesa Air Plans Life After U.S. Airways
Monday May 24, 3:30 pm ET
By Eric Gillin, TheStreet.com Staff Reporter


With US Airways (NasdaqNM:UAIR - News) facing a second filing for bankruptcy protection -- or worse, an out-and-out liquidation -- regional partner Mesa Airlines (NasdaqNM:MESA - News) is quietly laying contingency plans to reinvent itself as a low-cost carrier and replace flights that would be lost as a result if its partner goes under.

The Street.com has learned that in a conference call last week with pilots represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, Mesa CEO Jon Ornstein informally approached the head of Mesa's pilot union, Captain Andrew Hughes, with a plan to fly 737 jets independently if US Airways were to cease operations. In short, Mesa is considering a contingency plan to become a low-cost carrier serving US Airways' hubs.

"We've made that proposal to unions. We need to have contingency plan," said Ornstein, confirming the company's plans but declining to give details. "Time is of the essence here, and if we're doing anything, we have to move quickly and be ready to move quickly."

Indeed, the company's contract to fly regional routes for US Airways accounts for upwards of 45% of Mesa's revenue, according to UBS research. Mesa also flies for United Airlines, a unit of UAL (OTC BB:UALAQ.OB - News), and for America West Airlines (NYSE:AWA - News). But with one of Mesa's best customers warning that it will need additional wage cuts or be forced back into bankruptcy, Ornstein stressed that his company is trying to be ahead of the curve.

"The reason why we're doing this -- it's not because of pending problems with US Airways -- there's just a long lead time to do things," said Ornstein. "You can't just turn on a switch and have airplanes on line to fly and reservation systems in place."

And if US Airways does go under and stop flying, an event which UBS Warburg analyst Robert Ashcroft deemed unlikely in a research note on May 10, it would create a vacuum in three of its hub markets: Philadelphia, where Southwest Airlines (NYSE:LUV - News) has already moved in; Pittsburgh; and Charlotte. Under this scenario, the old US Airways route structure would be "balkanized," with a number of competitors all moving at once to take advantage.

According to a source close to the company, Mesa is currently weighing a number of options for that scenario.

One option would be to find another partner to replace US Airways. Already, rumors are swirling about Mesa pairing up with Richard Branson's Virgin Airways, which is laying plans to launch a low-cost carrier in the U.S., with a hub in either San Francisco or New York. Although Ornstein denies having conversations with the still-unannounced Virgin outfit, he was the chairman, president and CEO of Virgin Express in Europe prior to joining Mesa.

"Ornstein has probably talked to Branson about doing some business," said Helane Becker, airline analyst at The Benchmark Co., a New York-based brokerage. "I wouldn't be surprised. He's an entrepreneur more than an airline person, and he will do what he has to do for his airline to be profitable."

If Mesa cannot find a new partner, then the carrier may transform part of its regional business into an independent low-cost operation serving the old hubs that US Airways served, essentially creating a low-cost US Airways. The move bears a passing resemblance to the one that Atlantic Coast Airlines (NasdaqNM:ACAI - News) is now pursuing from Dulles Airport in Washington, D.C., after, coincidentally enough, Mesa's unsolicited bid to buy ACA failed.

Other options include leasing the regional jets it would have used to fly for US Airways or making an investment in a smaller airline, which it would then use to fly the 737s that are preferred by low-cost carriers.

While the details about Mesa's plans are new, the fact that the carrier is laying plans is not. On its quarterly conference call, Mesa executives said they were considering "contingency plans for several alternative scenarios" if US Airways were to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection again.

"What they're doing is basically trying to figure out if these plans make sense," Becker said. "They feed US Airways flights in Pittsburgh and are concerned how they'll survive if it liquidates. The question is, how do you protect your interests?"

But Ornstein may be doing more than just protecting his interests. With $228.7 million in cash on hand, the profitable carrier has been kicking the tires on a number of possible ventures since its bid for ACA was spurned earlier this year.

In early May, sources told the Honolulu Star-Bulletin that the company was one of 13 partners hoping to be a part of Hawaiian Airlines' bankruptcy reorganization plan. And after US Airways announced in late April that Pittsburgh would no longer be a hub, downgrading it to a "focus city," Ornstein told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette his company was considering stepping in to boost service there.

Mesa's behind-the-scenes concerns over a worst-case-scenario unfolding at US Airways are driving the contingency planning, but with the industry entering its fourth year of losses, perhaps the carrier is weighing a new endeavor as well.

"First off, if you look at the deals we've done, we're careful. We were looking to do something that makes sense for the company," Ornstein said. "But we're opportunistic, because everyone hates the airline industry now, and this is the time when you can make money."

Calls to the Air Line Pilots Association were not returned by press time.
 
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Would this affect the agreements currently in place with UAL and AWA? I mean, Mesa already operates 90 seat aircraft, but would operating a 737 put those agreements at risk?

I'm sure they could set it up to where Mesa just provides feed to, say, Bransons Virgin America or whatever its called.

Just curious.
 
And this surprises anyone how?

What of CHQ and TSA...what are their plans?

J(L)o is opportunistic, seeking fortune in the
misfortune of others...like the highly
experienced J4J guys he has working for him,
probably 73 typed!

Things like athlete's foot fungus are
opportunistic too, and drug companies make
millions from stuff to control it...(now I'm going
to throw the $hit into the fan, so duck) like
ALPA.

(the instructions said "light fuse and get away")

RUN!!!
 
What would Mesa 737 Captains and FOs likely make per hour if the 737 operation activated? CR9 rates? Anyone know the likely amounts?
 
The unofficial, unwritten initial "offer" was a 20% override from the CR9 rates if you're flying the a/c. If you're a 737 CA on reserve, you get CR9 rates. FOs would get 50/70/90/BOHICA rates. Oh yeah, and they wanted to extend our POS craptract for 2 more years.

Yeah. Our MEC actually sent a letter asking the company to negotiate with the negotiating committee, and apparently our NC told the Company we want industry average for narrow bodies. Some Freedom-A-type claims that because of this offer, OJ will take his toys elsewhere.

OJ never had any intention of letting us fly 737s.
 
bogberto said:
The unofficial, unwritten initial "offer" was a 20% override from the CR9 rates if you're flying the a/c. If you're a 737 CA on reserve, you get CR9 rates. FOs would get 50/70/90/BOHICA rates. Oh yeah, and they wanted to extend our POS craptract for 2 more years.

Yeah. Our MEC actually sent a letter asking the company to negotiate with the negotiating committee, and apparently our NC told the Company we want industry average for narrow bodies. Some Freedom-A-type claims that because of this offer, OJ will take his toys elsewhere.

OJ never had any intention of letting us fly 737s.


The point this time is that the majority of pilots at mesa don't give a crap about flying 737s for mesa (atleast not anywhere near the rates JOs offering). We do have leverage in the form of scope.

Unfortunatley, we are starting to see the same freedom A type guys coming out of the woodwork. More than happy to spread the companies doom and gloom mantra of furloughs and downgrades with a failure of Usair. They are already laying the ground work for the "your MEC is going to screw you" campaign the company will inevitabley try in order to get us to bend over on 737 rates.
 
Did j(L)o and the freedumb types not learn
anything the last time around? Personal
wealth aside, is there enough money out
there for him to start getting 73's?
 
Did they learn? Heck no! They're still preaching about how they saved the company.

OJ has about $250 million or so in the bank. 20+ year-old 737s lease rather cheap these days.
 
Will jo use rjs to feed his 737. Of course not, that is way to risky and just not a good business plan. At least that is what he told ACA shareholders. I wonder why it would be a bad idea for ACA but a good business plan for MESA. Does this guy ever tell the truth?
 
maineiac said:
Will jo use rjs to feed his 737. Of course not, that is way to risky and just not a good business plan. At least that is what he told ACA shareholders. I wonder why it would be a bad idea for ACA but a good business plan for MESA. Does this guy ever tell the truth?

NO

we all pretty much new the real reasons he went after ACA.
 
"Will jo use rjs to feed his 737. Of course not, that is way to risky and just not a good business plan. At least that is what he told ACA shareholders. I wonder why it would be a bad idea for ACA but a good business plan for MESA. Does this guy ever tell the truth?"


Never forget...JO is a Felon. A convicted liar...He was booted off wall street and can never work there again.

There's a special place in Hell for JO, Lotz and the freedumb scumbags...
 
Nightmare67 said:
There's a special place in Hell for JO, Lotz and the freedumb scumbags...

Carl Ichan and Frank Lorenzo will be there to hold the door open....
 
Carl Ichan and Frank Lorenzo will be there to hold the door open....

Roger that!
 
mesa rocks said:
The point this time is that the majority of pilots at mesa don't give a crap about flying 737s for mesa (atleast not anywhere near the rates JOs offering). We do have leverage in the form of scope.

Unfortunatley, we are starting to see the same freedom A type guys coming out of the woodwork. More than happy to spread the companies doom and gloom mantra of furloughs and downgrades with a failure of Usair. They are already laying the ground work for the "your MEC is going to screw you" campaign the company will inevitabley try in order to get us to bend over on 737 rates.


I have to disagree with you. Not all the Freedom A guys want to fly the 73 for Mesa either.

Please don't generalize.
 
Never forget...JO is a Felon. A convicted liar...He was booted off wall street and can never work there again.

He sure has been successful though at Mesa.. He has experienced the growth, revenue, etc, and has a future plan that will work in place. I love to hear the seat locked guys at regional XYZ that ain't going anywhere anytime soon continue to b!tch and moan about Mesa, blah blah, blah... Bottom line, Mesa is NOT a career airline and most there or atleast the ones I know there realize this, put their time in and move on in a relatively short amount of time compared to other regionals.


the 37's will stay well east, money in the bank....


3 5 0

ps>>> With his compensation package I don't think you need to worry about him loosing sleep over not being able to get back to Wall street.
 
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