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Mesa LAX Blunder...Freedumb/ALPA Angle??

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A350 said:
The only difference between a regional taking flying from a mainline and Freedom and Mesa is that when I lost my job, another UNION pilot replaced me.
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When more people buy Fords than Chevys won't that result in one company losing UNION jobs and another gaining UNION jobs? It's called competition. While it's the union's job to protect our jobs it can't control the whole economy. If management says a route can't support a mainline plane and puts a small jet on it there's really nothing a union can do about it. Scope becomes as valuable as furlough protection when hard times hit. This is the current state of affairs.
 
A350, you didn't have your flying stolen from you. It was given away by you and your fellow pilots. You voted for the scope language that allowed the RJ flying to be outsourced. Don't blame the people that fly what you and your mainline buddies thought was "beneath you."

I'm getting really tired of mainline pilots whining about the flying that they gave away, claiming that it's been "stolen." Look in the mirror. The person you see is where you can place blame.
 
Deleted. PCL_128 beat me to it. Nobody stole anything. You guys took a pass and the regionals said "Great, we'll do it."
 
Sorry I had to say something, so if an alter-ego airline was recruiting pilots you guys are telling me you wouln't fly for them even if that's the only job available because they are scab? That's the biggest bullshi't I've ever heard. You would rather work at McDonalds? I don't think it's fair to blame pilots at Gojet or other alike, somebody has to fill those jobs. It's easy to say, well pilots to should say no to those jobs but that's fantasy land talking and it's impossible, in real life that's not possible and it will never ever happne otherwise we wouldn't have a Gojet right now. So what you guys are doing is a lost cause. And what's the point, Gojet might have lower pay and work standards but by how much? I'm willing to bet from what I've heard not much. Discriminating against these pilot groups will not fix anything, there will always be pilots willing to work at any airline. Why don't you guys focus on moving to better jobs and stop worring about $hitty pay at the reginals.

I would understand this feud if thousands and thousands of money and loss in significant work rules occur but give me a break. It makes me so angry reading about pilots who don't let fellow pilots in the deck because they are willing to make 5 dollars less an hour.
 
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CX880 said:
Sorry I had to say something, so if an alter-ego airline was recruiting pilots you guys are telling me you wouln't fly for them even if that's the only job available because they are scab? That's the biggest bullshi't I've ever heard. You would rather work at McDonalds? I don't think it's fair to blame pilots at Gojet or other alike, somebody has to fill those jobs. It's easy to say, well pilots to should say no to those jobs but that's fantasy land talking and it's impossible, in real life that's not possible and it will never ever happne otherwise we wouldn't have a Gojet right now. So what you guys are doing is a lost cause. And what's the point, Gojet might have lower pay and work standards but by how much? I'm willing to bet from what I've heard not much. Discriminating against these pilot groups will not fix anything, there will always be pilots willing to work at any airline. Why don't you guys focus on moving to better jobs and stop worring about $hitty pay at the reginals.

I would understand this feud if thousands and thousands of money and loss in significant work rules occur but give me a break. It makes me so angry reading about pilots who don't let fellow pilots in the deck because they are willing to make 5 dollars less an hour.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion, {insert name of middle manager} from {insert name of airline}.
 
You can justify it any way you want. I stand by my earlier comments.

Don't mistake my message. I hold no ill will to the pilots who got the flying. What burns my arse is that these same guys call rat when the same thing happens to them, albeit under the union umbrella. If you can't understand that the mainline MEC's dumping flying under the BK laws was not voluntary, you just aren't being honest with yourself.

Further, you can say the flying was "beneath" the mainline guys....that couldn't be further from the truth. Like it or not the mainline MEC's had scope clauses for a reason. They figured the planes could replace their flying and moved to limit it. Only under the BK did they give it up. If there was noone to do it, the mainline managers would have had noone to give it to so they would have had to deal with the mainline pilots to fly these jets.

There are consequences to these actions. I lost my job and had to start over. Other pilots profited at my expense. However the profiteering was short lived because now they have no place to go as the mainline carriers are all using bigger and bigger RJ's to replace mainline flying and therefore most regional pilots will stay at the regionals for a lot longer under less desirable working conditions. Add multi-certificate corporations all fighting for the flying that the mainline carriers shove their way and you have a situation that has no end in sight.

A350
 
A350 said:
If you can't understand that the mainline MEC's dumping flying under the BK laws was not voluntary, you just aren't being honest with yourself.

Only under the BK did they give it up.
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Sorry, not close to accurate. The first eroding of Scope to allow RJs started back in the early 90's long before Delta, Northwest, United, or USAir filed for bankruptcy. You guys just let it get even worse after the BK filings. If the door hadn't been opened over a decade ago, then this never would have been an issue.
 
flyflorida2001 said:
Former Freedom A Lister, currently sitting in moldy arse in the left seat of a Mesa CRJ.
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can somebody post his initials or PM me or the ChinaClipper his name?
 
Who cares who was sitting in that chair, we are all vulnerable to mistakes. One day some stupid a$$ mistake will happen to you, and you will rememeber all the $hitty words you wrote here.

Has anyone even considered fatigue?? All these regionals work us really hard, under the right circumstances all mistakes are posible, specially when fatigue is involved!!

Im out... Good night.
 
islandhopper said:
can somebody post his initials or PM me or the ChinaClipper his name?
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Could, but won't.

WTF is the matter with you?

Details aren't even available as to WHAT or HOW anything happened (other than the press report, which as all aviators know, is the only aviation source more f-d up than flightinfo in terms of accuracy) . . . yet somehow you think this will make your day or some stupid crap?
 
Soverytired said:
Could, but won't.

WTF is the matter with you?

Details aren't even available as to WHAT or HOW anything happened (other than the press report, which as all aviators know, is the only aviation source more f-d up than flightinfo in terms of accuracy) . . . yet somehow you think this will make your day or some stupid crap?
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why yes, if it was a certain a-lister it would have made my day very nicely.
 
PCL:

You are correct about the early 90's....the RJ's were used to supplement mainline flying, to cities and route pairs that didn't make money with mainline planes......

I think the record bears out that in the late 90's, and certainly after 9/11, the RJ was used to simply replace mainline flying and as the RJ got bigger, the more flying it was used to replace.

We agree that if it never was allowed to happen, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

A350
 
islandhopper said:
why yes, if it was a certain a-lister it would have made my day very nicely.
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Well, you worked at Mesa for awhile. You should have at least a couple of friends still here. Give them a call if you really want to know the name.

(unless you're some kind of insufferable prick whom everybody was happy to see leave . . . . )

I'm hearing it wasn't nearly as dramatic as the newspaper story made out (surprise, surprise). Something like the nose of the aircraft went a couple of feet past the hold short line. So the "50 feet" clearance wasn't a near miss as a plane rotated below V1 to barely clear passing over a jet in the middle of the runway . . . more like it passed by the side of it with 60 feet wingtip clearance instead of 75.

Still not good, I know. And someone's pee-pee will be spanked. But not exactly high drama, either.
 
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Not exactly high drama?

A Captain is the LAST RESORT to avert disaster, for God sake! ESPECIALLY IF ITS HIS FIRST TIME TO LAX! This clown forgot PIC Rule #1...Belive NOTHING you hear and 25% of what you see! Scepticism in all things breed competence my friend. His JOB is to be the crosser of t's and the dotter of I's. Its called professionalism. Its due diligence like found few other places...... BTW I wonder if his philisophical abborrence to ALPA, unions and all that it stands for, and the screwing of his fellow pilots (ie hurray for me to he11 with everyone else) is consistant. If he thought JO was a better honest broker of airline careers than ALPA, he should also forgo union Job protection and ask management for a favor. On his knees at one of JO's faboulous vacation properties, you know the kind that the Freedummies made possible???....He and all the other Freedumb wankers embolden one of the biggest shyster to walk on planet earth and NEVER forget who led the downward slide........PS Doesn't Mesa ahave nearly 300 MILLION is cash right now???? Yeah, you should feel used like a 2 dollar who re after a battleship just docked.......
 
Funny how the Freedumb stench prevents career progression.........singed Don Corleone
 
Camera's in the cockpit?

ChinaClipper said:
A Captain is the LAST RESORT to avert disaster, for God sake! ESPECIALLY IF ITS HIS FIRST TIME TO LAX!
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Uh, that's right. This incident, of which the FACTS ARE TOTALLY UNKOWN, is NOT high drama.

News flash: Every captain on this board has done something incredibly stupid. 99.9% of them didn't get caught, and were humbled and learned something from the experience.

You've been a captain, and you're saying you never made a mistake?

Well, I GUESS YOU HAVE NO OBJECTION TO HAVING VIDEO CAMERA'S IN THE COCKPIT?

You're perfect, so you have nothing to worry about.

Why don't we just have a real-time feed to our passengers? Won't that be exciting for them to see you perfectly perform your duties flight after flight, never making even the smallest mistake? Oh, and for the few (in your view) non-perfect pilots out there, these videos can be forwarded immedately to the media and the FAA for certificate action.

What a great world to live in that would be! Yippie!
 
Dang, I'm sure glad I escaped from Mesa's grip after only 4 years, long before the extreme hate, that you guys exhibit, filled every bone in my body. Sounds like you guys need a long vacation.
 

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