Mesa Interview, finally...

[Gulfstream 200]

well...

I think I was really wondering about your corporate flying "Barron" job that you put in your dues doing.....

But hey, good luck.....after all that hard work and butt busting you cerainly deserve to make it and be an airline pilot.

 

[CRJ puppy]

WrightAvia, embraerdriver, and few others,

I guess it’s tough for you to understand ‘figure of speech’ (language used in a figurative or no literal sense) when I talk about ‘busting butt’. I guess, all of us, including yourselves, have done that at one point or other during your flight careers...remember your first jobs…little pay and lots of time spent at the airport – in my case it’s 43 miles from my house.

I work for a 121 carrier and dream of only living 43 miles from the airport! That would be a nice change... no more commuting worries! (My house is 750nm from the airport.)

Point is...the grass isn't always greener...

you know the rest.

Study hard for your interview. Visit the "aviationinterviews.com" website. Follow the advice listed there. But please, don't try and make pilots "feel" for you in this economy; you won't make many friends that way.

Good Luck!

 

[Foobar]

And some people get mad because people like YOU go work for places like MESA and make flying for a LIVING impossible.

But thats the system and it is what it is, I'm not mad, I'm just not counting on flying for a living. Thanks in part to guys like you! I've got plan B. I'm part of the solution, a pilot that won't fly for free just to get the time and won't take a job for all the peanuts you can eat.

But I know, someone else "wants it more" and soon enough I'll be sorry because you'll be making the big bucks at a major airline while I hold out for a livable wage.

Aughhh

 

[Palerider957]

Citation man:

Thanks for setting the airlines and me straight with your ATP written and whopping 1400 hrs..... Your extensive experience in airline politics and operations is most valuable.

If she wants to go to Mesa and be another 21 yoa FO, 23 yoa Captain willing to work for the same wages as a pizza delivery driver....so be it.

It's these people who are so desperate to get into a jet, regardless of the cost, that are driving this industry into the dirt.

I guess that's hard to understand flying daddy's jet.....

 

[regionalhell]

Bad Idea!

Unless you enjoy doing the walk of shame through every airport terminal you fly out of, and being looked down upon by every other pilot group, I would suggest holding out for something a little more respectable.

Just my opinion.

 

[350DRIVER]

Unless you enjoy doing the walk of shame through every airport terminal you fly out of, and being looked down upon by every other pilot group, I would suggest holding out for something a little more respectable.

Is someone just a tad "bitta" that they are on a prop with little room for advancement?.

Your statement is a complete joke, and who the fuc$ cares what you and others think about Mesa pilots.


too comical bud

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[Tatoosh65]

Well Flybunny, I don't think you should have much trouble. I know a guy 21 yrs old, who very recently got hired at mesa with 350 hours total time to fly the right seat in the CRJ 700 out of Denver for UAL Express. I think he went through the buy your job flightschool, in any event, I wouldn't say he was exceptionally qualified. As matter a fact nothing exceptional about this fella.
Is this safe?
Good luck, and you can't say nobody ever warned you.

 

[eddie]

skybunny, I guess we should cut you some slack for not being savvy concerning this business, but using the phrase "finally got the interview" when you have a whopping 200 hours over the company minimums just invites criticism.

If you are based in a USAir city or in PHX the "walk of shame" comment was pretty right on, some of the wholly owned and AWA crews will be less than accommodating.

good luck on your interview, and start applying to other companies as soon as you are off IOE!

 

[GogglesPisano]

I think they let you make extra money polishing Ornstein's motorcycles on weekends.

He has 15, you know.

Read it in the USAToday.

 

[350DRIVER]

skybunny,

Take all the negative and derogatory comments that are posted here for what they are worth, absolutely nothing at all.. They are somewhat comical at best. Take a close look at the posters profiles who are making these comments and you will see most are seat locked in a prop and are not going anywhere anytime soon and are quite pi$$ed at that fact. To put the icing on the cake if they were Mesa or comparable they would most likely be in a RJ and be able to upgrade in a "reasonable" amount of time. The "walk of shame" is a joke in itself, you get the job and you will be viewed no differently than anyone else in this industry. For the 95% good guys you will always have the 5% a$$holes who speak and reak ignorance towards not only a pilot group but the company as well. It is always quite comical to see the "bitterness" come out when most have no clue about the company and they are in a very unfavorable position with little chance for any movement.


As for the "joke" of the comment about the 350 hour "wonders" being "safe" just laugh at that one also as I did. Hard to believe that some cannot accept the fact that these so called "wonders" who completed the Mesa PDP STILL had to PASS the interview, pass indoctrination, pass systems, pass sim, pass oral, pass flight check before they were 121 line qualified. Mesa does not give "different" tests and flight checks to the people who come through the program... Too funny. So are they safe.?? Without a doubt by the time they are "line qualified" they have more than proven their abilities..

Good luck and block the negative comments out.

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[CitationLover]

Thanks for setting the airlines and me straight with your ATP written and whopping 1400 hrs..... Your extensive experience in airline politics and operations is most valuable.

If she wants to go to Mesa and be another 21 yoa FO, 23 yoa Captain willing to work for the same wages as a pizza delivery driver....so be it.

It's these people who are so desperate to get into a jet, regardless of the cost, that are driving this industry into the dirt.

I guess that's hard to understand flying daddy's jet.....

palerider i guess you should be an airline ceo cause you know all. i paid for all of my flying and am happy with the decisions i made. i worked 7 years for a consulting firm dealing first hand with mgmt and alpa on pensions, i understand the "business" side. i guess you think it is ok to not hire someone simply for the fact that they worked at a company (the original point of my post). not only is that illegal it is "hindering" the industry, a standard you seem you think you do.

regional pilots only need to have a high school degree to "qualify" for a job. name me another job in which 10 years later a non degree job can be earning a near 6 figure salary (60-100k)? also, people continually bitch about mesa bringing down the entire industry yet their pay rates are only 6% less. seems like the whole regional structure is breaking the bank.

 

[capt_zman]

350,

Please explain how you know anything about the airline politics above? Talk about no clue.

 

[Birdie]

regional pilots only need to have a high school degree to "qualify" for a job. name me another job in which 10 years later a non degree job can be earning a near 6 figure salary (60-100k)? also, people continually bitch about mesa bringing down the entire industry yet their pay rates are only 6% less. seems like the whole regional structure is breaking the bank. [/B]

Plumbers, electricians, UAW workers, Master Carpenters, Dock workers, wedding photographers, mechanics, Sky Caps in busy airports, some OTR truck drivers, beauticians, massage therapists.....you want me to go on??

As for Mesa salaries, if touting that -6% helps you sleep at night, so be it. How about quality of life, work rules, etc.

I don't buy it, Mesa is a cancer that is growing. They will probably soon swallow ACA, and turn a fine pilot group and organization into a battered pilots shelter...who's next??

 

[ChinaClipper]

Not good on a resume????

I went to F9 from YV and was asked about the quality of my FLYING experience. 1900 on the East coast for 2 winters. Kansas City system for a couple summers and DCA for 3 years in the ERJ. Some easy PHX/ABQ/Rocky Mountain flying for a few months. From Mexico to Canada, Cali to the East Coast, It didn't bother the interviewers a bit, in fact, they were impressed with the diversity of my flying background, as they stated in the interview. I am one of 7 recent Mesa to Frontier new hires, America West has hired 14 out of the last 23 from Mesa. (NOT Freedumb!) JetBlue has taken 5 recently, CX 2, ATA another 7, Aloha 6 in about 24 months. Airtran 5 that I know of earlier this spring or summer. These are the ones I know of. Yup having Mesa on your resume is a hindrence, why would you want to fly anywere but a miserable USAir WO? Besides, hold out for a company with history of Paying for you training, Comair did it, ACA, ASA, Gulfstream still does and the list goes on. I worked hard, fought JO with every fiber of my being, ALWAYS remember the Fredumb A$$holes and get ready for the next contract. Mesa crews have been some of the nicest folks to work, AND PLAY WITH, anywhere. Good Luck, the interview is an "Asshole Check", if you are one you're gone....

 

[islandhopper]

Re: Not good on a resume????

I went to F9 from YV

You'll always be a Mesa slacker in my book! So does this mean your not as interested in tropical weather flying anymore then?

That sucks... And I already paid good money to some guys to beat you down next time you came here trying to schlep a job. Missed opportunities I tell ya.

Nah brah, jus kiddin! Congrats! And hold up the high hard one to JO next time you fly into PHX for me.

Just for the record... many fighter pilots in both gulf wars has less than 350 hours and they did just fine. Nobody can accuse me of being a thread jacker now!

 

[stillaboo2]

Gone for a month, and we still are doing the ol' Mesa is ruining the industry' thing?

Expend your 'hater' efforts on real issues:

Cabotage will ruin the industry, as will all the 'tude about Mesa or any other airline - flying for any regional is all about what you bring to it, 'cause it certainly ain't about the pay.

 

[aviatrix]

also from women who work for Mesa in particular and regionals in general....

how many females Mesa have as pilots?

Who cares?!?!?!?!?!?!

(Seriously, Bunny.....is this a pressing concern of yours?)

 

[stickpusher]

First interview great, with another airline better

I think the Mesa pilots have been sold a bill of goods and are trying to make the best of a bad situation. There new contract is better than they had and it did bring the Freedumb guys under the Mesa umbrella. But what is lost on the Mesa pilots is that that golden carrot of quick upgrades and lots of expansion is at the cost of other ALPA carriers. ACA, AWAC pilots, FA's, Rampers, Management, Dispatchers and list goes on had to take pay cuts to remain competative with mesa's cost structure. How is this helping the regoinal industry. By allowing JO to put those wage scales in place I would have to work for 9 years as a mesa CRJ FO to make the same money I made in my second year (35/Hr). I have heard the mesa guys on the crew bus talking about how much money they are going to make when they upgrade, i think it was around 105/Hr. What they dont think about is thats a 18 year Capt. If you stay at mesa 18 years good for you but some of us want to earn a livable wage while were still young enough to enjoy it.

And yes other regoinal pilots do scoff at the mesa guys. I know you think thats hard to believe but its true. I find it hard to believe that you think a move to any other regional is a lateral step. I fly with many exmesa pilots who think it was a step up to work for an airline that pays you for WX, Maint etc cancellations and have trip and duty rigs. Next time you are in Denver or somewhere away from PHX and see how people look at you. And be sure to tell them about all the great things mesa has to offer.

So much to say so little time.

 

[regionalhell]

skybunny,

The "walk of shame" is a joke in itself, you get the job and you will be viewed no differently than anyone else in this industry.


350Driver, if you really think MESA pilots are viewed no differently than anyone else, you definately need a reallity check.

Jonathan Ornstien is the worst thing to happen to the piloting profession since Lorenzo. By working for him you are are promoting the destruction of good paying jobs at good companies and trading them for a crappy job at MESA.

Most educated people recognize this.

YOU may feel no different when you walk through the terminal in your shiney new MESA uniform(ignorance is bliss!!), but the sad truth is most other pilots do look down on you, they just aren't snubbing you as much as they would really like to!!!!!

P.S. Some (observant)MESA pilots are very aware of this. Some even wear their ID badges backwards or inside their breast pocket while in public, to keep a low profile.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is just the way it is!

 

[islandhopper]

YOU may feel no different when you walk through the terminal in your shiney new MESA uniform(ignorance is bliss!!), but the sad truth is most other pilots do look down on you, they just aren't snubbing you as much as they would really like to!!!!!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is just the way it is! [/B]

Nobody knows how much it sucks at Johnny Lorenzos feet than the guys that are there taking the flogging firsthand. Most all of them did not sign up for the $hit they're in now.

Real tough guys beating down the abused pilots. Thread jackers and web flyers.

Whoever started this thread... If you are lucky enough to get job offers from more than one company by all means stay the friggin hell away from mesa but if nobody else is beating down your door with a job offer get some paid jet time and move on.

But yeah, Try and stay away if you can. Its only getting worse at mesa. you can trust me on that one.