MESA in talks with Delta

[ASA_DFW]

I guess MESA will join the family? Anybody have more inside info?


Intelligence

Delta In Talks To Add Mesa Air To Connection NetworkAviation Daily05/04/2005, page 01


Delta is talking with Mesa Air about an air services deal, The DAILY has learned, and an announcement could come as early as this week. Representatives from both airlines declined comment. Mesa last week told analysts it will likely "have homes for all our aircraft," even if US Airways and America West merge, as it was exploring deals with other airlines. Delta is considering using some of Mesa's 50-seat jets for flying in the Northeast, sources said.

 

[wntsouthwest]

...........g.r......e.a.....t....... *(!$ !!

 

[MELIT]

All regionals are in talks with the majors. Nothing new, well exept for Colgan they are still in talks with their venders.

I guess MESA will join the family? Anybody have more inside info?


Intelligence

Delta In Talks To Add Mesa Air To Connection NetworkAviation Daily05/04/2005, page 01


Delta is talking with Mesa Air about an air services deal, The DAILY has learned, and an announcement could come as early as this week. Representatives from both airlines declined comment. Mesa last week told analysts it will likely "have homes for all our aircraft," even if US Airways and America West merge, as it was exploring deals with other airlines. Delta is considering using some of Mesa's 50-seat jets for flying in the Northeast, sources said.

 

[Tomct]

Crap, if this happens the $hit will really hit the fan! Very bad news for DCI!! "Modern day Lorenzo" is trying to woo "Widget City!"
Bad JU JU kiddies!

 

[SF340Guy]

Most Generic Poorly made flame I have ever seen. Can you provide a link to the "DAILY". Or at least tell us what "DAILY" so we can search for it.

 

[PCL_128]

I seriously doubt that GG would be dumb enough to do business with Johnny O. no matter what offer Johnny makes.

 

[Pukindog]

I thought Mesa couldn't fly for DAL because they flew planes with more than 70 seats with their CRJ900s? ...but it seems all scopes are a joke these days. (i.e. the American connection carriers)

 

[PGTB]

Maybe some one should tell this guy that today is 5/03 not 5/04.

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe some one should tell this guy that today is 5/03 not 5/04.

Hehe. Good catch.

 

[Nindiri]

Here, about 2/3 way down the page.

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily.jsp

 

[jetflyer]

I thought Mesa couldn't fly for DAL because they flew planes with more than 70 seats with their CRJ900s? ...but it seems all scopes are a joke these days. (i.e. the American connection carriers)

In the last contract change Delta had in October '04 the wording was changed in the scope. Mesa can now carry for Delta as long as they don't operate 90 seaters for Delta.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Jet

 

[avrodriver]

I thought this was flame bait as well, but there it is. I don't know....I guess they could use the Freedom certificate....it's still alive I believe, but honestly......what the f.uck does Delta want with more 50 seaters?........but on the flipside I always here Comair guys saying how they are the most profitable part of Delta. If Comair makes Delta alot of money.....Mesa's going to have them rolling in it if they are willing to go the United route and sacrifice quality.......and if Delta filed bnkrpt look out Skywest and CHQ your ba.lls could be on the table next........da.mn this shi.t is getting crazier by the minute. AD

 

[wheelsup]

.it's still alive I believe

Yep, there's a 1900 on it, I hear the callsign "freedom air" every now and then.

How's that saying go, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Mesa may very well be the most secure regional job out there...

~wheelsup

 

[FDJ2]

I thought Mesa couldn't fly for DAL because they flew planes with more than 70 seats with their CRJ900s? ...but it seems all scopes are a joke these days. (i.e. the American connection carriers)

Part of the concessions extracted from the DAL pilots was allowing larger aircraft at DCI (E170) and allowing DCI partners to fly larger aircraft ( I believe the cut off is 97 seats) outside of the DCI network.

 

[Palerider957]

This industry is rapidly being reduced to a handful of old men flying mainline, and legions of children flying RJ's.

It will be a sad day indeed, if Mesa starts to fly for DAL.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Congratulations, reading this thread was the most nonproductive thing I have done all day. I can't believe I even come to this website anymore. This starting rumors to see if it gets back to you stuff is getting old.

 

[bvt1151]

I take it you did not visit Aviation Now, DD? Right there in black and white.

 

[bitememesa]

Yeah well we don't want to fly for you losers either, but do we really have a choice in the matter?

No.

 

[PFTEXPJET]

Freedom is dead, maybe

  Yep, there's a 1900 on it, I hear the callsign "freedom air" every now and then.

How's that saying go, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Mesa may very well be the most secure regional job out there...

~wheelsup

The 1900 on Freedom is 237YV and it's currently being flown at Big Sky. In our deal to Big Sky we gave them 174YV and their MX man ran it into a fuel truck less than a week after I took it to them. The FAA wants us to have at least 2 1900 on the cert and schedule flying of 50 hours. That isn't going to happen. We only have 21 1900 and the rest are going to Big Sky.

I'm not saying Freedom is completely dead. However, our contract says all jets have to be under the Mesa cert. Then again our contract says I should get 1.5 for ja and that never happens. Anyway, I would think Air Compton (aka Air Midwest) would be used to circumvent any scope clause if needed.

 

[spitfire1500]

This industry is rapidly being reduced to a handful of old men flying mainline, and legions of children flying RJ's.

It will be a sad day indeed, if Mesa starts to fly for DAL.

Why? I dont see any difference between the service on any of the regionals and god knows I've ridden on a bunch of em.

 

[Palerider957]

Why? I dont see any difference between the service on any of the regionals and god knows I've ridden on a bunch of em.

There might not be a big difference in average level of service, but what I'm referring to is the quality of contracts and future of the industry.

I couldn't and wouldn't, live on Mesa wages and work rules. More "growth" (DCI flying) will be bought with concessions. People in current negotiations (ASA) will have our leverage reduced even further.

The very young kids going to Mesa have no idea what damage they have done, and continue to do. This industry is tough enough without a 20 year old offering to do your job for pennies.

It seems like it's time to go do something else.

 

[FDJ2]

There might not be a big difference in average level of service, but what I'm referring to is the quality of contracts and future of the industry.

I couldn't and wouldn't, live on Mesa wages and work rules. More "growth" (DCI flying) will be bought with concessions. People in current negotiations (ASA) will have our leverage reduced even further.

The very young kids going to Mesa have no idea what damage they have done, and continue to do. This industry is tough enough without a 20 year old offering to do your job for pennies.

It seems like it's time to go do something else.

I guess it was o.k. when people were under cutting mainline Delta pilots and then filed a lawsuit to get even larger aircraft, but it's a different story when it happens to you. Dan Ford and his RJDC buddies must be happy that there was no predatory scope prohibiting this.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I can't believe that Delta would drop this low. I agree Palarider.

 

[uba757]

Hey FDJ2 it is happening to You. Mesa pilots will fly your 777's for $45.00 an hour and will be happy to do it for years and years to come with no increase in pay and probably wont care about benefits, 401K, or even a plan "B". UBA757

 

[Palerider957]

I guess it was o.k. when people were under cutting mainline Delta pilots and then filed a lawsuit to get even larger aircraft, but it's a different story when it happens to you. Dan Ford and his RJDC buddies must be happy that there was no predatory scope prohibiting this.

The RJDC is about representation, and being given the opportunity to negotiate a fair contract with those who actually control the purse strings. Why is this such a hard conecpt to understand?

I don't want to turn this into a RJDC thread, as Mesa/Freedom and the RJDC are apples and oranges.

 

[ERfly]

I can't believe that Delta would drop this low. I agree Palarider.

Those in glass houses my friend....

Don't speak so soon. Your flying a 70 seat jet for what my company pays me to fly a 50 seat jet.

 

[IUSTACHECKEM]

Too late now.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh64932_2005-05-04_12-18-29_wen0921_newsml

 

[WSurf]

Mesa = Parasite


An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

We at PDT/US Airways hate to see this parasite make over to the Delta Connections. Grrrrrrrr!

 

[Rabble]

What goes around comes around.

Yeah big deal.

And ALL of you are flying 50-70 seat jets for a FRACTION of what the mainline pilots flew them for in the pre-RJ era.

Those pilots had respectible pay, benefits, lifestyle, and retirement when they were flying the first generation of "regional jets"

DC9-10
F28
Bac 1-11
BAe146
etc...

Seems kind of disingenuious for you folks to now cry foul when Mesa does the same thing to you.

You took the original "RJ" flying by willingly flying those airplanes for peanuts. Now Chautauqua, Mesa, Shuttle America, etc. will take that very same flying away from you by offering to do it for less.

A few years from now Gulfstream and Embry Riddle might offer to do it for even less -- the mere crumbs from the aforementioned peanuts. Heck, the copilots will probably even pay for the privilege.

We are the most thick-headed group of "professionals" on the planet and we're going to need a Sam's Club sized container of lubricant to extract our heads from our collective rear-ends.

ALPA has lost its way.
RJDC has lost its focus.
We have lost our profession.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I guess it was o.k. when people were under cutting mainline Delta pilots and then filed a lawsuit to get even larger aircraft.

You liar. The lawsuit was filed to protect the CY96 scope language - aircraft you had already negotiated.