Mesa hiring?!!!!???

[Anais Nin]

On aviationintervews website it has two recent interview information for Mesa and says the guy was hired and given a April 30 class date. He doesn't even seem to have that much time from what I could tell. Then on the Yahoo mesa forum a CCAIR pilot confirmed the same thing. Does anyone know what there hiring status is right now? And when are the CCAIR pilots going to be brought over? And are Mesa New hires going to be in classes with CCAIR and USAir fuloughed pilots who went over there under J4J?
If anyone from Mesa can shed some light on this it would be great. I didnt even think they were hiring but maybe I should send in my application.
And which airplane is Mesa hiring into anyway? Dont they have the CRJ and Beech1900 and Dash 8? Is CRJ expanding and thats why they need to hire? Plus I thought they had enough people from their MAPD program and now the CCAIR and USAir furloughed pilots! But if they are hiring pilots off the street now, maybe things are improving!

 

[LearLove]

I saw that too, thought the same thing. Things that make WO pilots go HMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Dash8]

LL Don't you mean "things that make the mesa roll-overs go d'oh!" guess good ol' johnny O wasn't planning to dump them after all, despite his idle threats and the complicity of their MEC.

Question is though anias nin, is why would you want to work there, just check this board around, you'll see that they are not exactly highly regarded.

Unless you don't care about the regional industry and what mesa has continually done to undermine others efforts (Comair, etal) to improve careers at this level. Or if you only care about yourself and 'living the dream' of flying an all-mighty jet, d a m n the consequences. then by all means, sell the rest of us out.

ps LL, you keeping your base or you gonna have to relocate?

I saw that too, thought the same thing. Things that make WO pilots go HMMMMMMMMMMMM

 

[Anais Nin]

Question is though anias nin, is why would you want to work there, just check this board around, you'll see that they are not exactly highly regarded.

Dash8, I have been keeping up on the message board threads about Mesa and the only ones who seem to be bashing them is the WO'ed i.e. Piedmont, Allegheny and PSA. Which of those companies do you fly for? Certainly the posters on here who fly for the majors/mainline are either supportive or could give a rat's a$$!
So you see, it's really not the scandal you try to portray it to be!
I was really hoping for a Mesa employee's perspective in my previous post! Allegheny and Piedmont pilots, while I think your opinions are cute, I just dont think you'll be around long enough to have any credible information.

 

[chperplt]

Unless you don't care about the regional industry and what mesa has continually done to undermine others efforts (Comair, etal) to improve careers at this level. Or if you only care about yourself and 'living the dream' of flying an all-mighty jet, d a m n the consequences. then by all means, sell the rest of us out.

Dash8

Why don't you get off of your high f@cking horse and get a grip on reality. Anais Nin getting a job flying for Mesa has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with his "living the dream" either. You don't like Mesa's contract.. Tough sh!t man.. deal with it. You don't like your contract.. You and your fellow crewmembers can do something about it when the time presents itself.

d a m n the consequences.

What consequences would those be? Are you going to start threatening people with the jumpseat again? Keep talking like that and it's going to be people like you that are going to have to worry about the consequences.

It's people like you that are making this a sh!t industry right now.. Not them.

 

[Anais Nin]

Question is though anias nin, is why would you want to work there

Dash8,
Why would I want to work there? Ummm, purely my belief in Survival of the Fittest , my man. Natural Selection. He who does not evolve, dies.
That and the fact that your company is not hiring.

 

[AZaviator]

Yes, I belive Mesa is doing SOME hiring. Not sure how much though. I know someone who was recently hired, but had several letters of recommendations to score the interview. He did not go to the MAPD either.

I'm not sure what aircraft they are hiring into, or how much hiring is being done.

 

[stillaboo]

Mesa Claification

Mesa is hiring, has about 50-60 people in their pool for GS. There is NO class date of April 30th, or at least one that anyone in the pool has been invited to, let alone someone hired yesterday! The reason all the new hires times are so low is most or graduates of Mesa's in-house flight school or instructors there. Not sure if they're hiring that many off the street.

Dash, you're taking some heat, but, you should really worry about your own contract. Don't let Mesa's new one deter you from getting what you deserve. Mesa will have to live with what they got, and you have a wonderful retort if they ever compalin; "I told that contract sucked!" As far as living the dream and flying a jet, d a m n the consequences, that's the Freedom guys. Mesa newhires will likely get the 1900, a plane with no autopilot, let alone a jet.

Anais, Mesa might be hiring into the CRJ, ERJ, 1900, or Dash. Since they haven't announced any GS's, only the training department knows the truth. They have to train newhires from the street, newhires from the Flightschool (who have Mesa training in the 1900 already), CC AIR guys, and J4J guys. Nobody knows if they'll mix the classes or not.

 

[lionflyer]

"Survival of the Fittest!"

Hey Anal Nin,

Even if that means working for minimum wage. Because, that's where this industry is heading. I gaurantee that your views will be a lot different a year from now. That is, if you're still working for MESA.

 

[Dash8]

musta hit a nerve

first of all, i never threatened anyone with the jumpseat chpr, so get your facts straight.
the consequences i refer to were the effect it was going to have on the pay/qol issues for everyone in the regionals, it wasn't some kind of threat as your paranoia took it for.

yes i do work for a wo, but that is irrelevant because it's not just us that feel that way, I know people at comair, aca, eagle, mesaba, coex, all of which feel essentially the same way.

I never made any statement about anyone in the majors anais but your right, they could give a rat's a5s about anyone in the regionals, mesa, wo or otherwise.

I find it curious you call mesa's tactics, 'survival of the fitest' my understanding was that they had no 'fitness' problems, fiduciary or otherwise, just JO's idle threats.
Our evolution would be progressing nicely if it were up to us the pilot group, but alas it is not, were victims of groups 'ideas' and the trappings of ALPA's conflict of interest.

I'll be the first to admit our contract/TA sucks, but it's still not as bad as some others, i'm certainly not projecting that displeasure anyplace else.

btw, our not hiring isn't my fault anais, blame mgm't for that, we are short staffed and definately need pilots. keep checking though, ya never know what might happen with these new bases opening.

 

[Dash8]

p.p.s.

I believe I saw in another thread that PSA might possibly be hiring, but I can neither confirm nor deny that.

 

[chperplt]

first of all, i never threatened anyone with the jumpseat chpr, so get your facts straight. the consequences i refer to were the effect it was going to have on the pay/qol issues for everyone in the regionals, it wasn't some kind of threat as your paranoia took it for.

If you read what I wrote, I asked the question. Seeing as the JS denial was threatened to the Mesa pilots (of which I am not one) in a previous thread, I was asking what the consequences you spoke of were.

 

[Dash8]

litmus

chpr, i'm familiar with some of the other threads about denying mesa's the js.
I know too many people who commute and the troubles they have with it to do that to anyone.
But I would definately talk with them about these issues, like I had previously talked with mesa pilots to get a feel for what was going on there prior to their TA passing (including one friend of mine who is a cap't there).

Plus, hypothetically, how can any of those others realistically deny a js to someone just cause their a mesa pilot? they would be screwing the 22% that didn't vote for it since there is no way to know for sure which was which, that's not something I care to be a party to.

 

[328dude]

PSA is hiring. I can confirm that.

Question for the MESA guys. Heard in a meeting last week that the CCAir guys get to keep thier senoirty once they are back online. Any truth to that?

 

[BoredToDeath]

Anais,

I just want to ask what would be your main reason for going to work at Mesa? Because if theres' ever been a time for pilots like yourself to look at the big picture, its now.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Chperplt,

I think (and I could be wrong) the consequences Dash was talking about are the direction that this industry will head in as long as pilots on the outside are falling all over themselves to get a job flying just ANYWHERE.

Because people like Anais don't care about who they fly for and under what conditions, mgt. will always win.

 

[hydroflyer]

I don't know a lot about this, but I had been hearing through Mesa pilots that actually had a clue as to what the TA was all about (all voted no), they said if it passed there would be hiring for more Dash-8 positions. My buddy keeps offering to walk in my resume, however I think I am plenty happy where I am at. It just seems like some shaky ground to me.

 

[mckpickle]

Mesa has Dash 8's? Anyway, I am not a Mesa pilot but I enjoy bashing them. It's kind of hard now dividing my attention between them and making fun of the French. Well at least we got what we expected from the French.

 

[Anais Nin]

Because people like Anais don't care about who they fly for and under what conditions, mgt. will always win.

Yep, it's me and me alone! Geez, I didnt know I was so powerful. I AM god-like!
Nope, I'm just a little 'ol CFI with my own plane. But your endless crying tirades about Mesa give me hours of entertainment.
Post more please. My hobby when not flying is trying to guess where you four Mesa-bashers work and see if I can guess your actual identities based on the info you provide! I feel I'm getting quite good at it!
Better'n you might think!

 

[qwerty]

thanks for reminding me why most of my friends are not pilots

 

[BoredToDeath]

Yep, it's me and me alone! Geez, I didnt know I was so powerful. I AM god-like!
Nope, I'm just a little 'ol CFI with my own plane. But your endless crying tirades about Mesa give me hours of entertainment.
Post more please. My hobby when not flying is trying to guess where you four Mesa-bashers work and see if I can guess your actual identities based on the info you provide! I feel I'm getting quite good at it!
Better'n you might think!

Anais,

You don't read too good, do ya?

Enjoy your 172 ya TOOL. Don't strain yourself too hard tryin to guess where I work and "who I really am". Ohhhhhh I better watch out Uhhh?

To everyone else,

Leave this one alone. He's a joke.

 

[Jetscream32]

Yet another thread with someone just looking for some info that has been hijacked into a MESA bash-fest. So maybe the guy is "just a CFI", but weren't we all somewhere with low time once? Or were all of you born with your commercial license and 1500 hours? Just because he doesn't work at a regional right now doesn't mean he can't have an opinion. I mean d@mn, the guy is trying to get educated and all you can do is call him a "stupid nipplehead that flies a single engine cessner".

Now that that's over I will try and answer your question.

Lori Clark (Head of recruitment at MESA) said that there are -0- poolies in a class on April 30th. I still have not gotten word on when any CCair guys will be back. A few have already gone to PHX on the CRJ but that was pre-TA when we were allowed to bid over to the Freedom cert. (endorsed by ALPA). If you have any other questions feel free to PM me, Anais Nin, that way you won't have to be attacked by the same 6 or 8 people.

 

[WileE]

Some more info.

Yes they are interviewing off the street. No as far as I know there aren't any new hires in classes yet or with class dates. The contract only just got signed by all parties so there is going to be some chaos until stuff settles down. FYI I know an interviewer who just a couple weeks ago was interviewing a batch that included a couple of United furloughees, so there's no shortage of qualified and knowledgable people willing to come to Mesa.

As far as the CCAir guys go, now that the contract has been signed they will be coming over for Mesa ground school as the slots come open. They do have quite a bit of leeway though as far as when they come over, it's not like they have a two week deadline. If they want they can take months to decide to come over. As far as seniority goes, that was worked out three years ago. At that time the seniority list was merged on a percentage basis. For example: if you were number 10 our of a hundred pilots at CCAir (to make the math more obvious) you would have fit in 10% down on Mesa's seniority list. If you were at the bottom of the CCAir list you would be at the bottom of Mesa's list, junior to everyone at Mesa "at the time". That means the most junior CCAir guy would still be senior to everyone hired since 2000, including all the off the street guys hired into Freedom and anyone hired under J4J or since the contract even if the CCAir pilot takes six months to actually come back and fly for Mesa.

As far as hiring into equipment goes, that is based totally on what the needs are when you get into ground school. If you come in when there are jet slots open, you'll get a jet slot. If they are only running prop classes, you'll get props. There is not going to be any bias for San Juaners as far as what position they get. They have the same chances as everyone else that comes in to get the jet or prop. For the J4J's guys, the stipulation is that they will only get to fly on jet equipment operating in the USAir system. That complicates stuff a bit, but since most of the CRJ's operates for America West or Frontier, there are still going to be plenty of seats they are not eligible for.

BTW, the CRJ 200/700/900 is going to be a common type. If you get the CRJ awarded, you could fly any of the three and your pay for the day would be based on which equipment you were flying that day. Probably going to make the payroll sheets a nightmare.

 

[Beantown]

Because people like Anais don't care about who they fly for and under what conditions, mgt. will always win.

Boardtodeath, What was the starting pay at PSA when you went there? I have a friend that interviewed there last year and he said that the starting pay was $17 an hour for the first six months and up to $19 after that. What a joke that is! At CCair we were starting at $24 on the Dash ( Christ, we were getting $22 to start on the 19 seat Jetstreem). If people like you wouldn't give in and accept crap pay like this we would all be in a better position. Maybe CCair could have competed with your crap pay and we would still be flying. Maybe you need to take a look within before you criticize others. -Bean

 

[rightrudder]

"BTW, the CRJ 200/700/900 is going to be a common type. If you get the CRJ awarded, you could fly any of the three and your pay for the day would be based on which equipment you were flying that day. Probably going to make the payroll sheets a nightmare."


I saw your new contract, and all jet FO's get paid the same rate, regardless of how many seats are in the back of your jet. CA's get small increases for the extra seats.

Doesn't seem fair, does it? But, you got your scope.

 

[Intruder One]

To 328 Dude:

The CCAir folks did work out a seniority a few years ago as far as bidding goes.......but on the other hand they lost almost all their seniority as far as pay,vacations and benefits go.So if you are a 15yr. pilot which alot of them are you get 4yr. for pay and benefits.Unless Worth steps in and changes this these guys got screwed,not only for them but any other regional JO decides to buy.By the way in the history of ALPA as far as mergers go I could not find anywhere this has ever happened before.Oh what a can of worms we've opened........

 

[BoredToDeath]

Boardtodeath, What was the starting pay at PSA when you went there? I have a friend that interviewed there last year and he said that the starting pay was $17 an hour for the first six months and up to $19 after that. What a joke that is! At CCair we were starting at $24 on the Dash ( Christ, we were getting $22 to start on the 19 seat Jetstreem). If people like you wouldn't give in and accept crap pay like this we would all be in a better position. Maybe CCair could have competed with your crap pay and we would still be flying. Maybe you need to take a look within before you criticize others. -Bean

Bean,

If your gonna post a rant like that at least get it right.

Yes PSA was the lowest paid of the WO's. But amazingly During my first year I was still able to make just under $30,000 without working to death.

Last year 2002(from 5/15/02) the starting pay for a 30-36 turbo-prop FO was $20.00/hr (this is the contract that we had no vote on)

Starting 5/15/03 0-1year FOs will make $20.40/hr and would have made $1.50/hr in per diem but concessions have brought that back down to $1.30/hr. 1-2year FO = $25.24/hr for a 30-36 seat turbo-prop.

The rates you mentioned, which were valid from 11/01/98 till 05/14/02 are as follows: 0-6months = $17.87/hr and $1.30/hr per diem. 7-12 months = $18.46/hr and $1.30/hr per diem. 1-2year = $22.34

Yes your right they are pretty bad. But as I've mentioned time and time again, rates are not the only thing in a contract. And you folks that have to live under Mesa's new one are gonna feel that.

You said, "Maybe CCair could have competed with your crap pay and we would still be flying."

I think you and I both know that this statement is completely false and I'll leave it at that. But I will say that having to compete with yet another contract carrier in my back yard is the last thing I or any other WO pilot wants. I've said it before and I'll try and be nice about it this time, The WO's do not want ANY contract carriers on our property and we will do what is neccesary to get rid of them. Though the demise of CC Air had nothing to do with our rates, it did bring a smile to my face, as I looked at them as one less contractor to deal with. Sorry, but thats how I feel.

Now because some people only see what they want to see I'll try and explain my previous posts a little better.

I was trying to convay that because Mesa got bullied into a bad contract the people that will go there now are telling mgt. that after all the garbage JO has put those people through, its OK as long as they have a job. Thats the message that new hires will send to mgt. The other part is that all of a companys flying needs to be under one roof, and I'm not talking about the many parts of Mesa, I'm talking about the many parts of Majors. The outsourcing of a major airlines flying needs to be stop and if I only get through to one pilot and not have him/her go to a contract carrier then I've done my job.

Now I came down on this person after he(anais) replied like a two year old, not because he wanted to go to Mesa. So I searched through the things that he posted in the past and found a lot of flame bait so decided to leave it alone.

And for crying out loud Bean please understand that I'm not against you personally, ITS THE COMPANYS.