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climbhappy
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i have a friend who is tonning it as a mortgage broker...he belongs to the local country club.....GOOD GOSH MAN!.....
it ain't that great, i'm looking for a decent job, maybe as a broker
buy yourself an airplane and hey, at least you got the call....
Of course i can't speak for you, but here is some ol sage advice i got two years from a guy who flew for transstates and prior to that he was Eddie money's lead guitarist.
" every time someone gets around an airplane, they act as though they have taken a dumb pill."
it ain't that great, i'm looking for a decent job, maybe as a broker
buy yourself an airplane and hey, at least you got the call....
Of course i can't speak for you, but here is some ol sage advice i got two years from a guy who flew for transstates and prior to that he was Eddie money's lead guitarist.
" every time someone gets around an airplane, they act as though they have taken a dumb pill."
the turtle
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I was a mortgage broker for five years....rates are low, life is great, you're in the gravy days....
then rates go up, your wife b!tches cause now your in the salad days...
I walked away four years ago and have never been happier. Even at Mesa.
when you walk away from the plane your job is OVER....no pager, no boss, no hassle on your time.
If you want to do it part time, that's another thing altogether.
BTW, have any other Mesa guys seen that last standing bid? WOW.
then rates go up, your wife b!tches cause now your in the salad days...
I walked away four years ago and have never been happier. Even at Mesa.
when you walk away from the plane your job is OVER....no pager, no boss, no hassle on your time.
If you want to do it part time, that's another thing altogether.
BTW, have any other Mesa guys seen that last standing bid? WOW.
First off, congrats on the call. In this industry getting that interview is HUGE! And I do think with Mesa right now, you're hired unless you screw it up (resume stack is so big at every airline now, if they call, they think you'll make it through, or they would've called another of the 5000 resumes).
Now, the question is simple: what do you love more, aviation, or the $. lifestyle of being a broker? Clearly, if the $/lifestyle was the same, you'd choose aviation (if it's not, then you're alone on this board). It's not, particularly in the first couple years at a regional. So, if you answer that question, you have your answer.
For me, I've always wanted to be a pilot. Go to an FBO, you'll hear most of the guys there would love to fly for an airline. Don't know if you can go to a college and hear the same things about being a broker (maybe you can!). It's a lifelong dream for me. What is it to you?
Good luck, and, no matter what decision you make, don't look back.
Av8ter said:
Now, the question is simple: what do you love more, aviation, or the $. lifestyle of being a broker? Clearly, if the $/lifestyle was the same, you'd choose aviation (if it's not, then you're alone on this board). It's not, particularly in the first couple years at a regional. So, if you answer that question, you have your answer.
For me, I've always wanted to be a pilot. Go to an FBO, you'll hear most of the guys there would love to fly for an airline. Don't know if you can go to a college and hear the same things about being a broker (maybe you can!). It's a lifelong dream for me. What is it to you?
Good luck, and, no matter what decision you make, don't look back.
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Buddy,
It is really time for a reality check here, yeah I miss flying the big plane, but you know what your about about to enter a world where:
1. Weekends off are a thing of the past
2. Holidays off are gone
3. If you were at your firm for awhile they were probably pretty agreeable to giving you time off when you wanted.....
4. Where I worked you had to bid for your days off, and know what? When your junior you get last choice.......
5. Do you like not being able to make plans more than a month in advance? If you don't care about making family reunions, weddings, special occasions, favorite sporting events, anniversaries, etc.
6.
It is really time for a reality check here, yeah I miss flying the big plane, but you know what your about about to enter a world where:
1. Weekends off are a thing of the past
2. Holidays off are gone
3. If you were at your firm for awhile they were probably pretty agreeable to giving you time off when you wanted.....
4. Where I worked you had to bid for your days off, and know what? When your junior you get last choice.......
5. Do you like not being able to make plans more than a month in advance? If you don't care about making family reunions, weddings, special occasions, favorite sporting events, anniversaries, etc.
6.
FMR_RGNL_PLT
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oops wasn't done
6. Not to mention going to the dentist, did you ever try making a dental apt. with less than a 3 weeks notice? In this bussiness when your new your getting 8 days guaranteed at your "future" employer and your schedule changes monthly, how do u figure you'll do that?
7. Then the kicker.........if mesa ever starts to go south and if things change in the industry ( that never happens does it?) your out on your keester.
My advice.........
IF your making alot of cash buy a soviet surplus jet, or go into a partnership on one if that is what you really want ........ or go pay somebody who owns one to go up and fly it for an hour, i've heard of people doing that..........
Or go get a new rating; seaplane, glider,etc. taildragger, go learn to fly acro in a pitts or something.
I guess its redudant for me to say after everything else i've already written that IMO, you should stay put unless you are miserable in your current job and it doesn't sound like that is the case.......
Best of luck!
6. Not to mention going to the dentist, did you ever try making a dental apt. with less than a 3 weeks notice? In this bussiness when your new your getting 8 days guaranteed at your "future" employer and your schedule changes monthly, how do u figure you'll do that?
7. Then the kicker.........if mesa ever starts to go south and if things change in the industry ( that never happens does it?) your out on your keester.
My advice.........
IF your making alot of cash buy a soviet surplus jet, or go into a partnership on one if that is what you really want ........ or go pay somebody who owns one to go up and fly it for an hour, i've heard of people doing that..........
Or go get a new rating; seaplane, glider,etc. taildragger, go learn to fly acro in a pitts or something.
I guess its redudant for me to say after everything else i've already written that IMO, you should stay put unless you are miserable in your current job and it doesn't sound like that is the case.......
Best of luck!
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Av8tr,
listen to FMR regional, hey i ran into a former CC air buddy of mine in Boston who was typed in the RJ. he was senior. When I saw him, we smiled and remembered the good ol days in charlotte and the great commoraderie we had.
I asked him, "how's mesa and the jet?" ( he had 10 years at CC and was a check airman)
his reply was, " it's just a stinkin job now"
The industry has permanently changed, forever , just like the 2.7 million factory jobs lost in the last two years. those major jobs are never coming back. and what happens when jetblue and airtran get in a fair war? how low is low. The Bankruptsies,(notice I said plural) aren't over yet.
the deal is how is everybody announcing they're ordering a 100 new rjs when the demand isn't there and there are no new jobs and our country is running half trillion dollar deficits with numbnuts in the whitehouse.
listen to FMR regional, hey i ran into a former CC air buddy of mine in Boston who was typed in the RJ. he was senior. When I saw him, we smiled and remembered the good ol days in charlotte and the great commoraderie we had.
I asked him, "how's mesa and the jet?" ( he had 10 years at CC and was a check airman)
his reply was, " it's just a stinkin job now"
The industry has permanently changed, forever , just like the 2.7 million factory jobs lost in the last two years. those major jobs are never coming back. and what happens when jetblue and airtran get in a fair war? how low is low. The Bankruptsies,(notice I said plural) aren't over yet.
the deal is how is everybody announcing they're ordering a 100 new rjs when the demand isn't there and there are no new jobs and our country is running half trillion dollar deficits with numbnuts in the whitehouse.
Back to the question at hand (mention Mesa here and it always turns into a bash). If you don't have to give up brokering all together, why not give it a shot? You'll probably know after the interview if it's right for you. Personally, I had fun at Mesa. Not much money, but the groupies...oh yeah, that was the life!
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Av8ter, if your bio is up to date and you are flying 135 King Airs and Merlins, stay where you are. I assume you are flying out of your home and get to get home quite a bit. When you get into 121 flying, yes it may be a jet, but you will be based somewhere where you do not live, most likley PHL for MESA from what I have heared from Mesa FOS. You will have 8 days off, that SUCKS, I want to kill my self with 12 days off. Interview at MESA just do not let your desire to fly a jet make you make a poor choice. Quality of life is really the most imporant thing there is, in my mind.
Av8ter,
just remember, all the advice you are getting is likely from current 121 pilots. We could leave our jobs and go work at a brokerage firm (most of us have college degrees and some experience, so it would take 2-3 years to get the good career track going), but we don't.
I'm a big believer in actions speak lounder than words. I left a corporate career track at an investment bank to fly. That's me. I'm happy with my choice.
I'd advise you to go to the interview, and try to speak to as many of the pilots there as you can. Or, if you live in PHX, CLT, PHL, DEN or DCA, just go to the airport and find where the Mesa planes depart from. Ask one of the pilots where the crew room is, b/c you were just invited to interview and you'd like to talk to some of the guys working on-line for Mesa right now. If you hang around the crew room area, you're bound to run into a couple of them. Just ask them some questions.
Just my advice. If you're happy with the broker position, then don't leave. Go where you're happiest.
just remember, all the advice you are getting is likely from current 121 pilots. We could leave our jobs and go work at a brokerage firm (most of us have college degrees and some experience, so it would take 2-3 years to get the good career track going), but we don't.
I'm a big believer in actions speak lounder than words. I left a corporate career track at an investment bank to fly. That's me. I'm happy with my choice.
I'd advise you to go to the interview, and try to speak to as many of the pilots there as you can. Or, if you live in PHX, CLT, PHL, DEN or DCA, just go to the airport and find where the Mesa planes depart from. Ask one of the pilots where the crew room is, b/c you were just invited to interview and you'd like to talk to some of the guys working on-line for Mesa right now. If you hang around the crew room area, you're bound to run into a couple of them. Just ask them some questions.
Just my advice. If you're happy with the broker position, then don't leave. Go where you're happiest.
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If I could get every weekend off, every holiday off, and be home every night by 6:00pm as a pilot, I wouldn't be considering quiting right now.
Truth is, flying for a living is.....a living. In some ways, it takes the wonder out of it. In other ways, it is the easiest most stress-free job on earth. All in all though, I'd say being on the verge of unemployment every 5 years is stress enough for anybody.
My advice: Find something you like doing, something relatively fun and perhaps even useful to society, and try to make enough money to fly as a hobby. I think you'll find it to be much more rewarding in the end.
Fly safe
Truth is, flying for a living is.....a living. In some ways, it takes the wonder out of it. In other ways, it is the easiest most stress-free job on earth. All in all though, I'd say being on the verge of unemployment every 5 years is stress enough for anybody.
My advice: Find something you like doing, something relatively fun and perhaps even useful to society, and try to make enough money to fly as a hobby. I think you'll find it to be much more rewarding in the end.
Fly safe
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Thank you all for your words of advice and wisdom.
As some of you probably know, I spent all of 2002 applying, interviewing, studying, etc... trying to get this freaking job.
In Jan of this year, I became a mortgage broker. This job has enormous potential to make alot of $$ because of the low rates and all. My wife is very happy having me home every night, and since most of my clients are senior airline pilots, I know where this industry has gone.
Picture yourself having worked 20 to 30 years flying the airlines largest plane, and then at retirement, you realize you can't afford your mortgage payment and your house is not paid off yet. That is the reality of a few of my refi's.
This has been my kicker, I'm not going to go to the interview.
Post 9/11 this business has been going down the can. I wanted to impress my family and friends by wearing the fancy uniform, and fly the cool jet. But you know what, nobody cares. And I would be doing this for all the wrong reasons. It's too risky.
So I'll let someone else have the shot and have a good time flying.
See ya, and keep the blue side up.
Av8ter
As some of you probably know, I spent all of 2002 applying, interviewing, studying, etc... trying to get this freaking job.
In Jan of this year, I became a mortgage broker. This job has enormous potential to make alot of $$ because of the low rates and all. My wife is very happy having me home every night, and since most of my clients are senior airline pilots, I know where this industry has gone.
Picture yourself having worked 20 to 30 years flying the airlines largest plane, and then at retirement, you realize you can't afford your mortgage payment and your house is not paid off yet. That is the reality of a few of my refi's.
This has been my kicker, I'm not going to go to the interview.
Post 9/11 this business has been going down the can. I wanted to impress my family and friends by wearing the fancy uniform, and fly the cool jet. But you know what, nobody cares. And I would be doing this for all the wrong reasons. It's too risky.
So I'll let someone else have the shot and have a good time flying.
See ya, and keep the blue side up.
Av8ter
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