Mesa-anyone get a huge email today?

[Finch]

Just got an email from Lori Clark, containing the employment application. Man, what a huge file! Anyone else get one?

I am having some second thoughts about mailing it however.
For one thing, I find it disturbing that you have to send them $50 every time you want to update (or did I read that paragraph wrong?). Also, you are giving them more personal info than your own mother knows, and they want it all updated every 6 months? And you MUST have internet access, and the only way they will pay you is with direct deposit?

Guess I have been out of the hiring loop for a while, because the amount of "we require this by law" has gone over the top! I guess I better confess that jay-walking ticket when I was 14!

Not sure if all of that is worth it for $1400 per month.

Keep the faith,

Finch

 

[Jetscream32]

Just a reminder that Mesa Air Group is about to shut down one of its wholly owned subsidiaries (CCair) and is trying to start Freedom airlines. It really makes me feel good to see Mesa hiring off the street when I am a furloughed Mesa Air Group pilot. There is a whole mess of stuff I could get into right now but won't about Mesa and CCair and Freedom. If you do get hired by Mesa please do me a favor and make sure you aren't hired for Freedom.

 

[Mr Freeze]

I was sent three different emails from her with lots of other names listed and no subject line. I assume it was a general mailing to anyone who has emailed their resume. Could this mean that a possible interview pool is in the works? I hope it is a positive sign.

 

[Mr Freeze]

Jetscream32,

I had no idea that Mesa still had furloughed pilots still on the street. I assumed everyone was called back. Good luck.

 

[aviatrix]

??

Read this post and decided to check my "professional" e-mail (you know......the one for all the airlines that you never receive anything from)
Yes......got the app.....and Yes, it's huge. Guess I'll send it in. But if there are still furloughees I wont run right out and buy stamps! (What am I thinking......cant buy stamps anyway....the Visa's maxed out!)

 

[bobbysamd]

Mesa

For one thing, I find it disturbing that you have to send them $50 every time you want to update (or did I read that paragraph wrong?).

I don't have the app or e-mail, but I can assure you you read the paragraph correctly. I worked at MAPD for a while, so I know something about Mesa. One thing that Mesa has always known best is how to make money.

My favorite is how I was hired there to instruct in the Barons. I got there and was told I'd have to pay for my Baron training. $700. No, I was not told about it ahead of time, during my interview or when I received the phone call (message on my machine, actually) that I was hired. I never thought about asking, because standardization was always provided by the company in the three jobs I held previously. Stupid me.

Also, you are giving them more personal info than your own mother knows, and they want it all updated every 6 months? And you MUST have internet access, and the only way they will pay you is with direct deposit?

I like direct deposit, but I guess the cost of paying your employees has gone up. Now, a way to deduct DSL on taxes!!

Not sure if all of that is worth it for $1400 per month.

Well said, my friend.

 

[Wowjack]

$50 application

To my knowledge I've been told California who pay the $50 application fee will get their money back because it is illegal for a company to charge for it. Anybody have any feedback on this?

 

[prodigal]

Mr. Freeze,
I got this same app package e-mail back in March and sent it to them then. I thought (hoped) then that it might be a good sign but didn't turn out that way. I did talk to some MAPD folks at SunNFun in April and they said then that the scuttlebut was that Mesa might be hiring again by Nov. '02. Of course that's just speculation, and it was a long time ago so it's anybody's guess.

 

[pmoffitt]

I got the same e-mail on Friday. Another interesting note that I noticed was that they would only accept updates once every 6 months. They made it sound like a criminal offense if you sent them another update in the meantime. Also they made it pretty clear that if you were missing a zip code for your high school from many years ago then you need not apply. They definitely have the attitude of “The ball is in our court and if you want to play with us then you will have to play by our rules". O-well, it is a shimmering light in a vast sea of darkness.

 

[Finch]

Sorry to hear that some of you guys are still furloughed-one more reason to visit the shredder with this one! Taking money for applications when you have guys out there waiting to work is not cool! Just think, $50 from every applicant on that email list alone. And, since the message was forwarded who knows how many times, it is a great way to make extra cash for them. In one way, the it is nice to see an application from a company prior to interviewing-the application speaks volumes.

Thank you for the info guys, I think I will pass on this outfit and spend my $50 bucks on something useful.

Hey, would it be funny to email this link to them or what?

Finch

 

[Sleepyhead]

My 2 cents

As an ex Mesa pilot, here is my 2 cents.

The app fee is common. Or at least it use to be.
United charged me $50, and Amercian was $100.
Some companys only accepted apps via UPAS and they
charged $150. These were all one time fees if you
updated every six months.
When I was at Mesa, JO said the reason they charged the fee was to weed out the serious from the mass mailers.
Now if they are charging to update, that is overboard.

As for the "do not update before 6 months". This is common practice also. AA and UAL won't accept an app before six months. This is to prevent them from getting a million updates from the people that think it will increase their chances.

"And you MUST have internet access, and the only way they will
pay you is with direct deposit?"

You don't have to have internet access. The company put compter systems in each station. Every employee gets an e-mail account. That is how the company communicates with you. Saves a lot of money rather than mailing out stuff. And since pilots move a lot or spend time at out stations, you can always get your messages. It is actually very progressive. I could be at training and get on the computer and do my bids or check anything I wanted.The direct deposit was also to make things more effient. The money was in your bank account every Fri rather than waiting for it to come in the mail. Remember they have emplyees based all over the country and the checks all come from PHX. It's not like a small company were you can just pass out the checks.

From the rumor mill:
My buddy is a Mesa CA. He says JO is giving up on Freedom. They only have been able to get 20 pilots. Since they get the 700/900s, they will need pilots soon. He also said, if you send an app for Mesa, they can't ask you to fly for Freedom.

Mesa may not be the best place to work, but these days there are not many options. As a furloughee, I would be happy to have any flying job. Every company has scrap to deal with, but as long as they pay you to fly, just put up with it and wait for better days.
Welcome to the avaition biz.

 

[eaglefly]

Times are tough and "frankie smooth talk" has come to an old favorite for revenue.

Sounds like plenty of suckers out there willing to prove him right.

How sad.

 

[vere76]

There are no furloughed pilots at Mesa or AirMidwest!!! check out this site, it should anser most of your questions.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/freemesaairlinesforum/

 

[WileE]

The Furloughed

The only pilots left that are still out of work for Mesa Air Group is the CCAir guys. JO is still hanging on to the idea of using them to whipsaw the rest of the groups pilots. It really sucks for the CCAir guys and they probably regret choosing not to merge with the rest of the groups seniority list when they were bought up. ALPA is trying to get some relief for them in court but I don't know where that one rests right at the moment.

It's really good to hear that JO might be giving up on Freedom. If he does that should be good news for the rest of the groups contract, since that was his main hope at some whipsaw leverage against the Mesa and Airmidwest pilots. If that doesn't get off the ground, he's going to have to get his pilots from the current crop of Mesa, which means more hiring across the board.