Merry X-Mas Ctq and Mesa

[crzepilot]

This post is hilarious

 

[MotoXXX]

O.K. For those of you bashing me, I do not have problems paying for X-mas presents, I was just trying to make a point. I am a second year AWAC RJ pilot. I will make approx. 45K this year compared to the previous mentioned a-holes who will make low 30's or so. That is a big difference and if you look at Comair/AWAC payroll compared to them it is a huge difference. When it is contract time all regionals need to step up and go above the rest and then the rest will follow. Unfortunately many have settled for less. Why, I don't know other than they enjoy the Kool-Aid. I do not hate any pilot group but at some point you need to stand up and ask for what you deserve and the rest will follow. I am tired but I hope this clears things up a little. Also it's not just hourly rates that are important. (i.e. trip, duty rigs, perdiem, 401K etc.)

 

[staledog]

this guy says he makes 45 G's a year and can't buy presents for his family!!!!

WAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! yeah buddy you might not be donald trump or bill gates, but a lot of pilots have it way worse that you bro. if it's soooooo bad then get off this website and start sending out resumes.

somebody call this guy a waaaaaambulance.

happy holidays!!!!

 

[staledog]

I realize FO's don't get paid what they should, but try buying xmas presents for your family and your in-laws while trying to pay for a mortgage and other bills on a CFI wage, which is hourly, not salary (10-15k a year), which is much less than FO pay, and I don't get per diem for all those hours spent sitting at the airport waiting for students to decide if they feel like showing up or not.

great first post, flyguy. you will fit in perfectly on this website.

i do agree with you though, just bashing you in a festive, welcome aboard kind of way.

 

[N8Dogg]

Flyguy81,

Stop comparing apples and oranges. Most of us have already paid our CFI dues and it just so happens to be your turn. Jump back on here in a year or two and then you will have something legit to complain about. Good luck!

 

[piginshlitz]

Wow, I don't think I will continue to tell people I am in the same profession as many of you. Highspeed aluminum tubing is my new pick up line. I don't want to be associated with such a bunch of whiney losers. I paid for my own training and college. I have supported myself since age 18. (I admit I was paying out of my own pocket for some of my training while living at home with my parents from age 14-18 so I guess that makes me one of those sell-outs that relied on Mommy and Daddy to get me through.) I started my working life at age 6 shoveling driveways. I have done many jobs since. I fly airplanes because I really don't want to get a real job. I only work 13 days per month, I never sleep in a hotel, I make 70,000 per year, I fly a jet 85 hours per month, I have every material possesion that I could reasonably want (go ahead and test me on this one, my head spins when I think about all that I have given myself and my girlfriend over the last year). I credit it all to the fact that my decisions in life revolve around what is best for me. I had a great job that I worked very hard to get flying Corp-Chart. in many different aircraft types. I left it for my airline of choice because I thought that I could live as well or better and advance my career at the same time. If I was wrong I could always go back. I still can. I have options that is one reason you will never hear me whine. If you don't have options then you are most likely one of the biggest bitchers on here. If you "earned" your place in this industry you would have other options. Many in this industry "drank the cool-aid" and wanted the free ride they saw at a wholey owned carrier as a free ride to a major. Stupid decision. That was narrow minded and very blue collar, union type thinking. Now you wonder why they treat you the way they do. If you can't think outside your own little world then that is where you will stay. Live in the real world. Jet PIC and quality of life while you get your time are what matter. Make your decisions based on what you think will give you the best of these. Look around, there is not a contract out there that will promise you this. You have the most to lose when you are not willing or able to walk away. If you have never had a flying job other than a regional and/or a flight instructor and you have no other skills you are the reason we are so poorly paid. (I say "we" but I'm not complaining for myself, as I said I'm happy for now.) I have worked with better pilots than myself who made bad decissions and I feel bad for them but at least I still respect them because they don't cry about it to me. If I thought they where the crying type I would cut them off from future recommendations.

I am not trying to rub anything in anyones face. My point is simply that anyone can end up in any situation based on their decisions and effort. If I got everything I wanted I would have been at TWA shortly after I ended my CFI days. I know how that is for those guys. It sucks. I dont know what's worse the fact that TWA is gone or the fact that American is their new future. You just have to make the best decision/guess you can and commit to it.

While I have lowered myself to this rant I must finish. Did any of you consider the culture of the place you chose to work? I would go Lambda lambda lamda over a Nazi organization any day. I work with happy people who don't have the stick jammed up there ass so far they can't sit comfortably in their seat. That alone makes 125 hours per month of my life much better.

If you don't like what I have to say I understand. I would like to help. I can't and I won't just give you what I have. I can suggest that you start making options for yourself and stop hating others for your decisions in the past. Just focus on what you can do to make your life better. The ones who sell this industry out the most are those that think that this is the only thing they can ever do and that the company they work for is the only one they should ever be at.

Flame Away.....

 

[PHXFLYR]

Hey MOTOXXX:
Regarding your little Christmas present "problem"........Go to your local bank or credit union the day after New Years . Open up what they call a Christmas Club account . Have $20.00 per month direct deposited into this account and by next Christmas,your problem will be solved. See how easy that was....? Sheesh...kids!


BAH HUMBUG

PHXFLYR

 

[Caveman]

172driver,

Great post D. I agree completely.

 

[flyguy81]

I've been instructing for a couple years now and start with a regional next week, so have paid some dues...not as many dues as a great deal of you...but dues none the less. I'm actually looking forward to FO pay...as it is a pay raise. From the time I was 18, my parents cut me loose to incur tens of thousands of dollars of debt to pay for school, work 3 jobs at a time in order to be able to afford my macaroni and tuna meal that I rationed to last a week. Kool-aid was a luxury. Don't want it to seem like I'm complaining, because I wouldn't have had it any other way. Being spoiled rotten works for some people, working my butt off worked for me. I appreciate where I've came from, how hard I worked, and what I've got. It may not be much money as an FO, but it's better than what I've got now.

It's Christmas...go drink some egg nog and take a nap.

 

[temcgrew]

O.K. For those of you bashing me, I do not have problems paying for X-mas presents

GREAT!! Three pages later! This info would have been helpfull on the first page....wait.....then there would have been no need for this whole thread in the first place.

 

[shaq]

Just wanted to thank **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**aqua and Mesa for making it hard to buy Christmas presents for my family. I appreciate you bringing us all down because you were born with a freakin golden nugget up your rear. Wake up boys your making bad times even worse for all airline personnel. Maybe for Christmas we should not allow you on any of our airplanes so you can't see your family.

Merry Christmas to all the real carriers out there!!! May next year be better

" O.K. For those of you bashing me, I do not have problems paying for X-mas presents, I was just trying to make a point. "


So YOU ARE full of it... Thanks, that's what I tought. I guess we can end this discussion now.

 

[SEFlyer]

Those of you who dont agree with me. Tell me why I should be making what I do. There are very few jobs out there that pay less than a professional pilot. Especially a F.O. Then to top it off my company may be out of business next year because we refuse to work for ctq and mesa wages. What a great way to spend the holidays, woundering if you will have a job next year. At lease if we don't we can say we didn't settle for less. (pay and work rules)

You can always take one of those jobs that pays more. Maybe next you'll be pissed at the passengers who refuse to pay more than $79 each way. Hahahahal. I love you people who blames all their problems on others.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

F***en Mesa and F***en Chautauqua

And Merry Christmas, especially to any jack**s secular liberal who's reading this and happens to get offended by the mere mention of Merry Christmas. Now that I've done my anti-greeting to Mesa, Chautauqua, and moronic liberals, it's time to celebrate the season.

 

[stuart716]

hey moto soft core

GET A FUKCIN LIFE!!!

mesa and chataqua are not to blame for the way the industry is going. wake the fukc up and stop listening to what everyone else is preaching. there happened to be a bunch of terrorists that hijacked 4 airplanes that sent this industry into the downward spiral that it is in.

 

[Dodge]

Yeah, don't blame the pilots at these airlines for agreeing to these wages. They didn't want them either. But, in order to get the new shiny little jets, they had to agree to something and this is what their managements told them to agree to. Remember all, if a pilot group votes in a contract, they thought that it was the best thing for them. Mesa, Chataqua, whoever, thinks that these pay rates are more than adequate. Otherwise, they wouldn't have voted them in.

And on a side note, a 5+ year FO at Mesaba will earn between 42K and 47K for the year 2004. I being right in the middle at 45k.

 

[blott]

Hey MotoXXX " Maybe for Christmas we should not allow you on any of our airplanes so you can't see your family".


At least chq is still flying on x-mass...hope you weren't planning on gettin home on COMAIR....lol

B

 

[Sphrynxlla]

im shocked to read moto xxx's post...i can't believe someone could be so rediculous to think that chq and mesa pilots keep him from earning enough money to pay for presents. I can't even think of anything to say to that.... it is so ludicrous. What a bitter, unhappy idiot. I think that CHQ pilots and even most comair pilots have to much dignity to deny someone jumping on their plane just b/c one works for a competing company. Really rediculous post.

 

[Mike man]

Merry Christams to you too MotoXXX!

 

[ChinaClipper]

And a special Merry Xmas from.........

all the mainline guys put on the street by RJ's in the last couple years, Motoxxx, I wonder what they'll do for presents? Will you gave them the same simpathy you seek??? Probably not...quit b itching about being undercut by ANYONE! BTW Suck it up, try and be a man, control your own destiny. There are people fighting and dying around the world who would LOVE to be on their computers tonight. Few, if any, would be moaning about how the holiday season is "hard" by your standards........Suck it up nature boy, whining is for liberals and the French....life is hard then ya die.

 

[mwmav8r01]

Amen China

 

[KATL8R26L]

Challenge

Lets see here is one for you. If you do not like what you see in this line of work and since no one is holding a gun to your head to preform it getout.Start your own business before it is too late, pick some thing you like and go for it big time.

Gone are the days of a good employer.In the old days you could find a postion and work at it if you did a job you got promoted, if not you got fired, simple as that. In todays world unless you work for your self you will always live in fear of what some one or some thing can do too you.Since like the above posts all say plenty of people will to work for next to nothing, rite after you leave.


I started my own Landscape Company this past march after being let go by an employer, but the funny thing is i, have had more success in this than any other postion that i have been in.Fllying sure spent alot of money that i now whished that i had not. I could double or tripple the size of my company rite now with that kind of money, o well that is in the past. Do i miss flying yea only a little , i just cant think that had i just waited a little more i could of had my company first and flying secound.

sO IN CLOSING IF YOU CANT MAKE A LIVING DOING THIS get out DON'T plug up the system let others work for free.

Christmas presents for my wife i paid cashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh guess where it come from?????????????????????? Landscape projects its called profit.

 

[Flip]

Lets see here is one for you. If you do not like what you see in this line of work and since no one is holding a gun to your head to preform it getout.Start your own business before it is too late, pick some thing you like and go for it big time.

Gone are the days of a good employer.In the old days you could find a postion and work at it if you did a job you got promoted, if not you got fired, simple as that. In todays world unless you work for your self you will always live in fear of what some one or some thing can do too you.Since like the above posts all say plenty of people will to work for next to nothing, rite after you leave.


I started my own Landscape Company this past march after being let go by an employer, but the funny thing is i, have had more success in this than any other postion that i have been in.Fllying sure spent alot of money that i now whished that i had not. I could double or tripple the size of my company rite now with that kind of money, o well that is in the past. Do i miss flying yea only a little , i just cant think that had i just waited a little more i could of had my company first and flying secound.

sO IN CLOSING IF YOU CANT MAKE A LIVING DOING THIS get out DON'T plug up the system let others work for free.

Christmas presents for my wife i paid cashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh guess where it come from?????????????????????? Landscape projects its called profit.

Could you translate this post and make it anyway meaninful?? WTF are you talking about my man?

 

[Tomct]

Moto: You need to calm down and take a chill pill. Listen to what everyone is saying! There are a lot of worse off places you could be right now! Atleast you are getting paid to fly. Let's face it, we have the best office view on the planet! If this is not enough for you, I would suggest a new line of work! Merry Christmas!!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

ummm sphx.....being new hire at chq

are those your tits?

HOW YOU DOINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

 

[Bart Simpson]

ummm sphx.....being new hire at chq

are those your tits?

HOW YOU DOINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

How you liking all those 170's? Kinda cool to call MX for every leg, isnt it? LOL

 

[flykool25]

i am sure you were were making $25000/yr while you were a flight instructor, or was it 10000/yr. I am sure you would have worked for Chautauqua or Mesa while you were a flight instuctor and were offered a job to fly for a regional. Stop bitching . Sick of so many whiners out here. Be happy you have a flying job . So many pilot's get cocky after a year or more after they start working at a regional.

 

[AirBill]

BTW, I wonder if cops and firemen have a board like this where they bicker like little schoogirls about their pay:

Cop#1: I have a question, which PD would be better to work for, LA or NYC?
Cop#2: Shut the f*ck up before I come and beat your punk-ass.

Great post, Bart! Best that's been said on this subject!

 

[Tomct]

Stuart: Shut IT! Go Back to Sleep and don't make daddy tell you AGAIN!!