Merging of Senority Lists at ASA/Skywest?

[SSDD]

I don't understand the concern by ALPA. In my estimation, the only chance ALPA has of getting voted in is by combining ASA and Skywest. Skywest alone does not have a majority, but if you bring in most of the ASA pilots, plus the near half of Skywest that supports ALPA, then you have a deal.

 

[PCL_128]

Exactly! Just imagine the power ALPA would have if the PID had been successful and DAL/CMR/ASA had negotiated as a single voice in 2000 while times were good and we had leverage..... timing is everything.....

If the respective regional MECs hadn't associated themselves with extremists like Dan Ford and Jesse Ashcraft who were very vocal about demanding DOH, then maybe the PID would have had more success within ALPA. Of course, it doesn't really matter, because Delta management never would have gone for it anyway. A PID is just a union mechanism, Joe. It has no legal bearing with the NMB, and management has no reason to honor it.

 

[~~~^~~~]

PCL - I was in the middle of all of that and what you wrote about date of hire is absolutely not the truth.

In fact, Dan Ford is who I'm quoting when I write the generalization "By paycheck, or equipment type, a merger would have been a staple" My joke at the time was asking to print up "I'd be grateful for a staple" stickers.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but you deliberately mischaracterizing what happened in 1999 & 2000 is a disservice to pretty much everyone involved, including our current ALPA leadership who introduced the PID to the floor.

From a "unionist" perspective, unity is a good thing and the PID was the right thing to do. It would be better if it had been successful, but just because it failed does not mean it was wrong.

 

[vtech]

The amount of bad info on this thread is staggering......

The amount of bad info on this entire website is far more staggering. Why limit it to "this thread?"

 

[Nightrain_080]

You ever meet Brad Holt? I'd bet that as far as he's concerned the DOH for all ASA pilots is 9/2005.

Where has Uncle Rico been with all this Sapa vs Alpa talk. He must be bust tuning up the stache for the summer.

 

[Russ]

"You ever meet Brad Holt?"

On many occasions. I know he won't be the one who determines the means, methods or protocals for any merger.

 

[Positive Rate]

On another note, and dont quote me...(this should be a different thread)

I heard that if this thing does come to a vote.....and you go to vote and you vote against to have ALPA as rep.(i e SAPA is your rep or teamsters or whoever) then your vote actually goes to ALPA...due to the percentages or something screwy.......thats why ALPA supporters are saying to vote even if your voting against....so to actually vote no, your not supposed to vote at all.......anyone know anything about this? How does the process actually work?


K..i did make it a new thread

 

[PCL_128]

On another note, and dont quote me...(this should be a different thread)

I heard that if this thing does come to a vote.....and you go to vote and you vote against to have ALPA as rep.(i e SAPA is your rep or teamsters or whoever) then your vote actually goes to ALPA...due to the percentages or something screwy.......thats why ALPA supporters are saying to vote even if your voting against....so to actually vote no, your not supposed to vote at all.......anyone know anything about this? How does the process actually work?


K..i did make it a new thread

Not true. You can write in any other union if you don't want ALPA, you can vote no, or you can just not vote at all if you want, but the only way to place a vote for ALPA is to actually vote for ALPA. There are no tricks here. It's a very straight-forward process.