Merger Alert:US Airways/Alaska ( fact or fiction?)

[Boxboy]

USAir + "Alaskan"=Airmegeddon

 

[eaglesview]

USAir + "Alaskan"=Airmegeddon

Not to worry.

East + West = Unmergable

 

[get2flyin]

USAir + "Alaskan"=Airmegeddon

Actually it's USAir + "ANYONE"=Airmegeddon (head in hands)

 

[CitationLover]

You sure don't sound like an expert...Microsoft has a share price of 26. Does that mean Alaska Air Group is worth more than Microsoft? Just looking at a share price doesn't tell you much. Some companies have quite a few more shares outstanding than others

It's called market capitalization. Alaska is worth 2x what USAir is.

 

[Metrojet]

You are right about the share price, but I think the point is that USAir doesn't have enough cash to "buy" Alaska. It would have to be a mutually agreeable merger. Which of course cannot happen due to the bed USAPA has built. It would not be in the best interest of Alaska shareholders to take on the USAir legal problems.
Again, USAPA has made USAir pretty much unmergable.

Captain Roman -

If i were you - i would just be happy flying my A330 between the island and the west coast - you have no idea what can happen on the mainland between Alaska and Arizona - and USAPA is not the deal breaker (not that I want another merger)

Metrojet

 

[Dan Roman]

Captain Roman -

If i were you - i would just be happy flying my A330 between the island and the west coast - you have no idea what can happen on the mainland between Alaska and Arizona - and USAPA is not the deal breaker (not that I want another merger)

Metrojet

Sounds like I struck a nerve. Kind of of delusional thinking that nobody should post about "other" airlines on a web board for all airlines.

Simple fact is USAir has a LOT of legal baggage that would be brought to a merger. It would be illegal for a BOD of a healthy airline to subject itself to that and OK a merger that would turn a healthy airline into a unhealthy airline. Which would happen if anyone were to merge with USAir and subject itself to the legal mess USAPA has created.

Sorry, just stating the obvious.

 

[Flybywire44]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. Kind of of delusional thinking that nobody should post about "other" airlines on a web board for all airlines.

Simple fact is USAir has a LOT of legal baggage that would be brought to a merger. It would be illegal for a BOD of a healthy airline to subject itself to that and OK a merger that would turn a healthy airline into a unhealthy airline. Which would happen if anyone were to merge with USAir and subject itself to the legal mess USAPA has created.

Sorry, just stating the obvious.

Is Alaskan ALPA? Could Alaskan not just vote out USAPA and start with a fresh Union and fresh SLI/Contract negotiations?

 

[reepicheep]

Southwest would own SEA within 5 years....no make that 3 years.

 

[Hpilot]

Is Alaskan ALPA? Could Alaskan not just vote out USAPA and start with a fresh Union and fresh SLI/Contract negotiations?

You bet. So even though it would be a good thing for US Airways ucrapa/east would f*$& it up. The bone heads got handed a winning lottery ticket with the AWA/US Airways merger and managed to f$%^ that up. Dumbest pilot group in the history of aviation.

 

[Dan Roman]

Is Alaskan ALPA? Could Alaskan not just vote out USAPA and start with a fresh Union and fresh SLI/Contract negotiations?

They are ALPA, but that wouldn't prevent the USAPA pilots, even if voted out, from bringing years of litigation with them. Which is why no BOD could accept a USAir offer without putting themselves at great legal risk for failing their obligations to their own shareholders.
They would essentially screw up a healthy airline by accepting a USAir offer.

 

[Metrojet]

Sounds like I struck a nerve. Kind of of delusional thinking that nobody should post about "other" airlines on a web board for all airlines.

Simple fact is USAir has a LOT of legal baggage that would be brought to a merger. It would be illegal for a BOD of a healthy airline to subject itself to that and OK a merger that would turn a healthy airline into a unhealthy airline. Which would happen if anyone were to merge with USAir and subject itself to the legal mess USAPA has created.

Sorry, just stating the obvious.

Nope - didn't strike a nerve - but I could also go on and on about the ups and downs of a certain island airline also - but i didn't reply to your post to insult - just to say be happy with what you have and don't worry about USAPA

And by the way - not to scare you - but I also heard a rumor about your airline merging with another ("unhealthy" airline - whatever you define that as).

Metrojet

 

[Dan Roman]

Southwest would own SEA within 5 years....no make that 3 years.

Maybe even two. One example how BOD's have to consider the ramifications of accepting any merger offer. I'm getting a sense that there are pilots in the USAPA leadership ranks that spread these kind of rumors for whatever reason. Perhaps to try and mask there many failures or somehow cover up the fact that they have made no gains for it's membership?

 

[Dan Roman]

Nope - didn't strike a nerve - but I could also go on and on about the ups and downs of a certain island airline also - but i didn't reply to your post to insult - just to say be happy with what you have and don't worry about USAPA

And by the way - not to scare you - but I also heard a rumor about your airline merging with another ("unhealthy" airline - whatever you define that as).

Metrojet

LOL I've heard it too (from highly unreliable sources) and I also am privy to info that proves it would make it even harder for USAir to merge with us than even AK.
Dream on!

 

[xanderman]

Perhaps to try and mask there many failures or somehow cover up the fact that they have made no gains for it's membership?

Shhh! We're forbidden from talking about that. Kinda like criticizing Stalin...

 

[cactusboy53]

Not to worry.

East + West = Unmergable

Buck up Skippy! We have already merged (we just aren't flying together yet). It's comming down the pipe. I heard that Cleary was humming to tune "Renegade" by Styx the other day.........

 

[Fubijaakr]

Is Alaskan ALPA? Could Alaskan not just vote out USAPA and start with a fresh Union and fresh SLI/Contract negotiations?

Not that easy. You would have a representation election. ALPA and USAPA would be on the ballot. Even with the combined numbers between AS and AWA pilots, the Easties would have the numbers to keep USAPA on the property.

 

[NWaviator]

This week will come and go without anything big happening concerning AS. They are doing great by themselves. I think Delta would lay an egg it anyone even thought about AS.

 

[becket]

ALK ALPA would eat USAPA alive. It's much easier when you know with certainty you're dealing with a bunch of no integrity scum bags.

 

[tico]

ALK ALPA would eat USAPA alive. It's much easier when you know with certainty you're dealing with a bunch of no integrity scum bags.

Probably not....in all their history(much like the french)they have never come across a fight that they would not run from...now the AS f/a's..(inventors of CHAOS)might be a whole nutha thing...

 

[captairbusbb]

All right everyone.......Don't get your panties in a wad....I think the Alaska pilots would squash this merger (acquisition, buyout, stock trade, NYSE scramble, CEO Bone-Us, swap), whatever you want to call it, in a heart beat..

Really......no, I mean really!!!....Who TF would want to engage in years and years of litigation with USAPA and management to be associated with the most incompetent scumbags of an association that calls themselves a UNION who are the most self serving arrogant bastards, elitist MO FO's who are far more experienced pilots than any other carbon units than anybody on the planet.

The answer is NOBODY.....

Six years into this nightmare merger with the bottom of the toilet bowl piece of feces the AWA management thought was a Wall Street Golden Goose and where are we?? Nowhere...

Sorry........Ain't gonna happen

Capt....