CRJ, all is good. I didn't mean to come across as all knowing, rather discuss why the lights thing made sense to me. However, neither one of us really has a choice as to when they go off. SOPs dictate they go off at gear retraction, before flap retraction. Indicated in the PF/PM matrixes near the back of the SOPs. I guess that's part of what caught my eye in your post. Past company practice can match or come close to current ops. But since they are sometimes contrary, that's why I said we all need to learn to dump the old for the new so to speak. Sometimes anyway. I need to on a daily basis, as I currently borrow the brain cells required.