Mei ?

[Ralph]

§61.195 (f)
Training received in a multiengine airplane... A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane... unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model...

So as I read that; if it is not time REQUIRED for the certificate an MEI can give instruction without having the 5 hours of PIC time.

For example, a student wishes to add a MEL class to an existing commercial certificate. Per 61.63 (c)(4) this student "Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part" and as such none of the flight time in the multi-engine airplane is REQUIRED so the instructor could give the student dual in a Baron never having been in the airplane before.

Is that legally correct?

 

[labbats]

FARs make my head feel like your avatar.

 

[172driver]

AMEL is a rating being added to the commercial certificate so obviously the MEI must have the 5 hrs.

A better example would've been a flight review or checkout given in a ME aircraft. I would assume the 5 hrs is not required because the pilot receiving the instruction is rated and theoretically more competent than a newbie.

As with many regs, good judgment can be more restrictive than the letter of the law. I would want to be very familiar with the numbers and have flown the model at least once before strapping in with an unkown pilot.

 

[bobbysamd]

Multi instruction

§61.195 (f)
Training received in a multiengine airplane... A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane... unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model...

(emphasis added)

Just read the plain meaning. You have to have the five hours in type to instruct for a certificate or rating. E.g., a (rich) guy with a B58 Baron approaches you about training him for his Private multi. You have only B55 Baron and Seminole time. You have to fly the B58 Baron five hours before you can train him for the rating.

There is no specific training time required for a multi. Theoretically, if all a student needs is, for example, 3.0 for his multi, you can release him for his practical.

Believe it or not, there are schools that send people for their multis in fewer than five hours!

Hope that helps some more.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Ralph-

The FAR is saying that the minimum training time does need to be met for an add-on.

For example, part 61 requires 40 hrs for the PVT, right? To add the PVT MEL, you need only train them to proficiency. In other words, you do not need to redo the 40 hrs in the twin. However, training is still required before you can take the checkride.
Look at part 61 for the required items to be covered for MEL. These items are all required except where previously trained for the SEL.

Therefore, you need the 5 PIC in make/model prior to conducting training.



Some examples where you do not need the 5 PIC in make/model:

1) Giving instrument instruction in a twin. (Actually, no MEI required according to some interpretations).

2) Giving a BFR or Wings training in a twin.

3) Aircraft checkout for insurance purposes.



Someone's going to get worked up over #2, I'll bet, but I'll wait until they argue before I expend the effort to explain.


You could always give the student 5 hours of 'multi engine introduction' training, (hah!), but none of it could be logged toward earning the certificate. You could caount it as total time, though.