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CalifDan

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I'm working on my MEI and have a couple of questions that have come up. My MEI is an initial, I do not have my CFI. My instructor orginally thought that all I had to do were the multi-engine related part of the PTS. I was able to convince him that since it was an initial, I would also have to be able to demonstrate all the PPL and Commercial maneuvers.

However, a question has come up regarding a few of the maneuvers. Specifically the 180 power off spot landing and the engine out to an off-field landing. I contend that these two maneuvers will not be required until I do the single engine add-on. My instructor is not sure and I have recieved conflicting advice from others.

I thought with the wealth of information available here, why call the FAA direct and ask?

And for those who are curious...I'm doing the MEI as an initial because I own the airplane and I have no desire to pay someone else to fly their's. A few hours to add the single is easier to deal with. I have to pay to fly my airplane anyway, adding the instructor isn't that much more.

CalifDan
 
Multi PTS including the first part about Fundamentals of Instructions. I thought the PTS explained this in the introduction. You'll only do multi-manouvers on MEI, and then do CFI-manouvers (as listed in the CFI PTS) on your CFI-addon (and since it's an addon, it will be slightly easier, and no mention of FOIs).
 
Take a look at the Flight Instructor - AIrplane MultiEngine Land and Sea PTS. Know it inside out...you'll need to for the MEI anyway. Know the special emphasis areas and know how to use the additional rating task table. Using that table you'll see what's required on your initial (basically everything in the PTS).

Good luck

-mini
 
I was able to convince him that since it was an initial, I would also have to be able to demonstrate all the PPL and Commercial maneuvers.
How were you able to do that, California Dan? Oh! By not using the PTS! I see, well, since you came on here, you will get the best advice...and that is for you to know the PTS...the PTS of the precise checkride you are preparing for, and not verbal information from ANYONE. Old, good, patient, well-meaning instructors tend to go from memory and not use the PTS as it changes from time to time, like lots of other bits and pieces in this business, so the best advice you can get is to use the current publications and teach the use of current publications and not rely on verbal information from any instructor or inspector. Especially DE's and FSDO inspectors. They are the worst. I know what I'm talking about, I'm old and it's hard to keep up with the changes. Gol'dang it!
 
Don't forget to get your spin endorsement!

Even if your initial is in a multi.

Obviously you'll need to jump in a single-engine for that one.
 
The PTS says I need to do ground reference maneuvers, which makes sense. With a MEI initial I could give a PPL applicant instruction in a twin. Interestingly, the PTS omits some commercial performance maneuvers such as Chandelles, Lazy Eights and Eights on Pylons, I think. Yet, I could give someone a commercial initial in a twin.

Thanks for your help.

CalifDan
 
CalifDan,

Yeah the MEI PTS does omit those maneuvers because if you do your commerical in a twin, they also aren't required. However this means that you can teach only in twin aircraft until you take your checkride in a single engine airplane where you will have to do the Chandelle's, Lazy Eight's, & Eight's on Pylons...
 
The Commercial MEL PTS I have (it's a PDF..may be different than the book version) has on page 2-xi and 2-xii the Examiner's checklist. I'd get a copy of those from the Private Pilot and Commercial Pilot PTS as well as the CFI-AME. Those are the maneuvers he can and may ask to see or at least talk to you about.

Pop Quiz: Do you need to be able to teach the applicant instrument approaches in the twin (OEI) without the CFI-Instrument?

Check out Area of Operation X Tasks C and D in the Commercial MEL PTS.
Also check out Area of Operation XI Tasks C and D in the Private MEL PTS.

Do these apply to you? Why or why not?

-mini
 
Mini,

I would say that they do apply to me and I could teach the instrument approaches without the double I.

FAR 61.195(c)

I can teach the approaches because the instrument training is not for an Instrument rating or type rating.

Chandelles, lazy eights, and pylon eights do not appear in the Private ME, Commercial ME or MEI PTS. I would suspect that those are eliminated, just need to make sure the FAA knows that because that was not the answer we got, or at least that the CFI claimed he got.

How did I do?

CalifDan
 

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