Maybe Lowecur was right about Delta EMB-190s?

[On Your Six]

A buddy of mine who is an MD88 FO in Atlanta was part of a crew-lounge impromptu management meeting on Friday. Apparently, some management representatives (not pilots) came down from the 4th floor to encourage DAL pilots to accept Grinstein's less-than-generous offer. The management guys apparently said that they were very impressed by the EMB-190 and that it is a lighter (weighs 30,000 lbs less), more efficient and more comfortable version of the 737-200. The DAL pilots were informed that no EMB-190s were ordered as of yet but that it was "top of their list" thusfar. No orders have been made.

The management guys evidently said that EMB-190 rates COULD mirror American's F100 rates - around $125/hr for 12 yr Capt. This is significantly less than the current $200+/hr for the current 737-200 12 yr Capt. - but not as cheap as the Jet Blue offer. Doesn't sound like Comair/ASA will be flying the 100 seaters...

Potential pension changes were also discussed and this resulted in booing from the senior portion of the crowd. At that point, my MD88 buddy had to run to his flight.

A lot of this posturing seems to be an attempt to manage the pilots' expectations. These representatives were not the negotiators - just messengers. I am sure these managers will all get big bonuses (just like ASA's CEO - $700K bonus recently) should Grinstein's proposal pass...

I wonder what the management pensions look like? Will they cut their own pensions as well to save cash?????

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

What made you think ASA/CMR was going to fly them?

 

[Ty Webb]

I don't see Delta pilots agreeing to fly those planes for less than AirTran pays a 717 Captain.

Currently, a 717 CA in his 12th yr would be around $152/hr.

 

[Dangerkitty]

The management guys evidently said that EMB-190 rates COULD mirror American's F100 rates - around $125/hr for 12 yr Capt.

Actually the AA Captain rate for the F-100 is $141 an hour. It still sucks but at this point I will take any increase I can get.

 

[Heavy Set]

737-200s and 300s gotta go....

I look forward to hearing about Delta's plans for reducing fleet types as well - hopefully the 737-200s and 300s will be gone soon with the MD88/90 to be phased out eventually. I could see a fleet of 100 seaters, 737-800s, 757/767s, 764s and 777s eventually - although the 764s probably could be phased out and replaced with the 7E7. I like the EMB-190 idea and I think it could be deployed throughout Delta's system rather well.

Yeah, I too would like to hear how DAL management plans to cut its OWN pensions to contribute to the overall savings....

 

[michael707767]

"I don't see Delta pilots agreeing to fly those planes for less than AirTran pays a 717 Captain."



why not? An EMB-190 is smaller than a 717. Add to that Air Tran is profitable and has no pension plan. Given those, what should a DAL -190 be flown for??

 

[michael707767]

Actually the AA Captain rate for the F-100 is $141 an hour. It still sucks but at this point I will take any increase I can get.

Actually, take the current DAL 732 rate (230) cut it by 35% (gets you to 149) and adjust it for the fact that it is a bit bigger F-100, and you end up right about 141 an hour. I could see a deal for the EMB-190 at this rate plus or minus 10$.

 

[FLB717]

We do have a retirment plan (BFund 10.5%) but not an AFund (who wants what you can loose in CH11 or CH7) but the 717 is 117 seats vs E190's 100 seats. So if you correct for size assuming the same pay per seat the E190 should pay 130Hr at AAI rates.