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[ThomasR]

Anyone hear anything about S.E.T.I. receiving an unexplainbale signal from 1,000 light years out? I heard about it on the radio last night.


The California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics released a new research project called Zero Point Field. Something about an energy grid that links all matter instantly through the emply space at "absolute zero" that fills the universe.

 

[Juvat]

I did 9 Gs for 42 seconds in a centrifuge. My entire back and butt were one large purple bruise when I came out of there. Not fun. But hey, I didn't black out--woo hoo!

My point: if you're going to accelerate to the speed of light, you had better take your own sweet time. Anything over 2 Gs for 64 days (or whatever it was) would really blow goats.

 

[garf12]

Anyone hear anything about S.E.T.I. receiving an unexplainbale signal from 1,000 light years out? I heard about it on the radio last night.

Just found this...

A recent (September 1) article in New Scientist magazine, entitled “ Mysterious signals from 1000 light years away,” implies that the UC Berkeley SETI@home project has uncovered a very convincing candidate signal that might be the first strong evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence.

Alas, this story is misleading. According to Dan Werthimer, who heads up the UC Berkeley SERENDIP SETI project, this is a case of a reporter failing to understand the workings of their search. He says that misquotes and statements taken out of context give the impression that his team is exceptionally impressed with one of the many candidate signals, SHGb02+14a, uncovered using the popular SETI@home software. They are not.

This signal has been found twice by folks using the downloadable screen saver. That fact resulted in the UC Berkeley team putting it on their list of ‘best candidates’. Keep in mind that SETI@home produces 15 million signal reports each day. How can one possibly sort through this enormous flood of data to sift out signals that might be truly extraterrestrial, rather than merely noise artifacts or man-made interference?

The scheme used is simple in principle (although the technical details are complex): SETI@home data come from a receiver on the Arecibo radio telescope that is incessantly panning the sky, riding “piggyback” on other astronomical observations. Every few seconds, it sweeps another patch of celestial real estate, and records data covering many millions of frequency channels. Some of these data are then distributed for processing by the screen saver. By chance, the telescope will sweep the same sky patch every six months or so. If a signal is persistent – that is to say, it shows up more than once when the telescope is pointed at the same place, and at the same frequency (after correction for shifts due to the motion of the Earth) – then it becomes a candidate. Of course, being persistent doesn’t mean that the source is always on, only that it is found multiple times.

In February of this year, Werthimer and his colleagues took a list of two hundred of the best SETI@home candidate signals to Arecibo and deliberately targeted that mammoth antenna in the directions to which the scope was pointed when they were found. Once subjected to this closer inspection, all but one of these signals failed to show. That disqualifies them from being claimed as true detections of a persistent signal. The one that was found again, SHGb02+14a (the subject of the New Scientist article), will no doubt be observed yet again, but according to Paul Horowitz, who heads up the Harvard SETI efforts, the statistics of noise make it fairly likely that at least one of the candidates observed in February would reappear, even if all these signals were simply due to receiver fluctuations.

The article remarks on the strong drift of this signal, which it describes as puzzling. Of course, many terrestrial sources of interference, and in particular telecommunication satellites, show strong drifts due to changing Doppler effects as they wheel across the sky. (Incidentally, the technically inclined will want to note drift due to a planet rotating like Earth would be 0.15 Hz/sec, not the 1.5 Hz/sec mentioned in the magazine.) As for the distance of 1000 light-years claimed in the article’s title, there is clearly no evidence supporting this number, other than the lack of known nearby stars in the beam.

The bottom line is that an experiment like SETI@home always has a candidate list, a table of those signals that look most promising. Indeed, you can find the current versions of this list on their web site. However, there is a great deal of difference between a candidate, and a convincing signal. If any of the major SETI experiments being run by the SETI Institute, by the UC Berkeley group, the folks at Harvard, or the Australians or Italians, discovers a signal that they think is of extraterrestrial origin, they will immediately take steps to confirm this, both with their own scientists and with observers at other organizations. You will find information about it on their web sites, and in multiple media outlets.

Sadly, the New Scientist, while it implies that a detection of an extraterrestrial signal is imminent, has inadvertently wandered into a sticky vat of hyperbole.

-- Seth Shostak

 

[ThomasR]

gart12

Thanks for the understanding. I get excited thinking we might find something in space. But thinking of history in general back when the world was flat and extended only as far as the shores of the Atlantic, wondering what was at the other end of the vast ocean, it would be like finding native Indians greeting these strange floating islands approaching from someplace unknowable. Strange looking beings with strange ways and machines coming to create the problems we have today.
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I did 9 Gs for 42 seconds in a centrifuge. My entire back and butt were one large purple bruise when I came out of there. Not fun. But hey, I didn't black out--woo hoo!

My point: if you're going to accelerate to the speed of light, you had better take your own sweet time. Anything over 2 Gs for 64 days (or whatever it was) would really blow goats.

It takes nine years to get to Mars with todays technology traveling at 66,000 mph. With ion propulsion I read this 50 million mile gap can be crossed in a few weeks. I am thinking that might be unreasonable unless our science has devised a way to apply acceleration to every cell in the body like those black floating triangles being spotted around Canada seem to be doing.

 

[ThomasR]

Montage

NASA 1​

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Pretty cool pictures​