Making it to Big Iron

[WhiteCloud]

So does ever really mean ever? Majors will hire some day. The last 3 years represent 7 - 10% of ones career. There are still good times to come.

The people that are so pesimistic about the future will fulfil their own prophesy. The people that hate their job and think nothing will get better, are the ones who won't put out their resume to improve their situation.

Sure, the current "majors" will hire someday. It's going to be a while though. I think we were talking about someone's first experience in large jets. It probably will not be at a traditional major airline. The other part of my post mentioned SWA and JetBlue and I Air as the future for many of us. I'm not pessimistic about the future of airline flying, in general, but the "majors" we may end up our careers at may not even exist today.

 

[WhiteCloud]

Heavy jet? I wasn't aware they are that ambitious.

OK...OK...a A319 is not a "heavy" jet. From the cockpit of a J41 it looks like a bigass airplane to me.

 

[TriJet]

GOOD ONE, i guess it's all relative.

Good luck man

 

[NightFlyer]

Yep, it's all relative. The MD11 looks small sitting on the ramp in Hong Kong with all the 747's sitting around.



NightFlyer

 

[TriJet]

You are correct!!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Yep, it's all relative. The MD11 looks small sitting on the ramp in Hong Kong with all the 747's sitting around.



NightFlyer

I wouldn't say that. An MD11 if a great airliner. Destined to be a classic.

With the management team in place at Independence ("If you don't grow in this business you're dead,") it wouldn't surprise me if they don't stop at the A319/320. Many years down the road, of course.

 

[English]

Re: college degree

For enigma, I am a changed man on college degrees, I have changed my tune; I now admit a college degree may open doors and may make the difference at the top of the pyramid.

The dawn of a new day...

 

[CSY Mon]

Aye, the college degree.

In the past the airlines gave the cnadidates IQ tests, but for reasons known only to the politically correct crowd, them IQ tests were outlawed in 1978 or so.

Statisically, college graduates had a somewhat higher IQ than the non- C.G.s therefore the airlines and other businesses started the requirement for a college degree...a 2 year degree minimum, 4 years better and a 6 year degree the best.

Bad luck for the guys that had concentrated on flying airplanes all their lifes, instead of attending college.

Yes, the degree open doors.

Are ya a better pilot after attending fine art classes and drinking beer for 4 years?

According to HR departments ya sure is....

 

[pilotyip]

exception to every rule

Just lost one of our non-degreed pilots to one of the hot spots in today's LLC passenger job market. 28 years old, 6000 TT, 5000 TJ, 4000 Part 121 TJ PIC. This is to an airline that advertizes college degree perfered.

 

[FlyaGuppy]

Are ya a better pilot after attending fine art classes and drinking beer for 4 years?

Nope, not one bit of a better pilot.


But I am a better person as a whole. The experience of college helped me grow in ways I could have never expected, and opened doors I never knew existed. I'm glad I chose to go, and chose to stay. It's nice to fly with someone who can talk about something other than airplanes, women, beer, or sports. Shows some intellect, which seems to be lacking in this current society of ours.

 

[Mooseflyer]

It's nice to fly with someone who can talk about something other than airplanes, women, beer, or sports.

There's other stuff?

 

[CSY Mon]

Mooseflyer:

 

[becket]

Who cares about the airplane? It's the same job from the front seat. Show me the money. That's the only thing that matters in this business. Your retirement can vanish, your base can close, and I don't care how much kool-aid some other posters have drunk, but we're all just one bad CEO away from the trash bin. Jetblue included. Go for the fattest paycheck and get the best financial planner money can buy. Get all you can before the music stops because as sure as the sun rises, tough times will hit at somepoint in your career. Probably several times over.

 

[JJJ]

That is good advice. Be responsible for your own retirement. Don't count on a pension or the government to take care of you.

 

[FN FAL]

Just lost one of our non-degreed pilots to one of the hot spots in today's LLC passenger job market. 28 years old, 6000 TT, 5000 TJ, 4000 Part 121 TJ PIC. This is to an airline that advertizes college degree perfered.

Are you wanting us to pat you on the back for pointing out the difference between the word REQUIRED and the word PREFERRED? Or are you just trying to tell us that high time jet pilots without degrees have to accept lower wage jobs at those "WALMARTS" of commercial aviation called LLC's?

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[pilotyip]

Walmarts?

Spirit, Jet Blue, AirTan, are these the Walmarts of the airline business, if so there are tons of Walmart wantabees out there. Of course our former non-degreed high time jet pilots who went to UAL and NWA, find themseleves unemployed and wish they had gone the LLC route.

 

[enigma]

Re: exception to every rule

Just lost one of our non-degreed pilots to one of the hot spots in today's LLC passenger job market. 28 years old, 6000 TT, 5000 TJ, 4000 Part 121 TJ PIC. This is to an airline that advertizes college degree perfered.

Spirit recently lost a non-degreed pilot to B6. Networking counts as much as a degree at carriers that only desire, but not require, the degree.

enigma

 

[jimcav]

A lot of guys and gals would love to work for one of the "wal-marts" of aviation.I have flown with a lot of pilots furloughed from the majors and the consensus is most are very happy.And oh by the way, I don't think that my fifth yr capt pay on the 717 is as bad as some few knuckleheads on this board seem to think.People like you make comments like that for one simple reason. Your jealous. FN FAL and those like you are the types in this industry that I have no respect for, and thank God I don't have to deal with on a daily basis.

 

[jimcav]

FN FAL my fifth yr 717 capt pay at 120 per hr is a hell of a lot better than most people in this country are doing. I consider myself quite fortunate to be where I am. A lot of people would give up a limb to work for one of the "wal-marts" of aviation. Grow up.