Lynx (Frontier)

[flyf15]

Anyone have any information on Lynx as far as openings goes? Have they started hiring yet? If not, anyone know when they will start to accept resumes?

 

[khsgt]

Hopefully those jobs stay under the frontier seniority list.

 

[TOGA]

Hopefully, but probably not.

 

[dojetdriver]

Hopefully those jobs stay under the frontier seniority list.

Hopefully, yes. I would want thet as well if I worked there.

But imagine this; You are an RJ CA, corporate CA, ACMI/Non sched pilot, military pilot, crappy airline CA, military guy, whatever. In other words, have worked your way up and want to go to someplace that is a career destination so to speak. You have wanted to work for F9 for a while for whatever reason. Good company, from DEN, or because you would get to an Airbus for one of the highest new hire payrates in the industry.

You interview, get hired, and find out you will be jerking gear on a -8. Granted, it will be a damn nice plane to fly, but probably for an "industry average" turbo prop rate with who-knows-how-ling to get into the Airbus. That would not even be a lateral move for most guys listed above, it would be downward.

What if the movement is slow? Even 2nd or 3rd year FO rate on the -8 would proabably never get you near what you gave up to go to Frontier.

 

[F9 Buff]

I thought they made it clear at the Q400 TownHall that they will be seperate? Have they said anything to change this?

I am guessing going to Lynx would give you a pretty good "in" at F9 down the road if you are in good standings since I bet the HR departments will be nice and friendly with each other.

I am betting they will be starting to announce their "openings" after the beginning of the year. How long does it take to go through training for a Q400?

Am curious to see what the pay scale will be and what the minimums are going to be for FOs. Am guessing $25/hr and mins at 1000/100?

 

[Trogdor]

I am guessing going to Lynx would give you a pretty good "in" at F9 down the road if you are in good standings since I bet the HR departments will be nice and friendly with each other.

Not necessarily. Since they will both be owned by Frontier Holdings, it may make it hard to move from Lynx to mainline because the company would have to go through the expense of training you twice, then replacing you at Lynx.

 

[F9 Buff]

Not necessarily. Since they will both be owned by Frontier Holdings, it may make it hard to move from Lynx to mainline because the company would have to go through the expense of training you twice, then replacing you at Lynx.

So it is smarter to let a known quantity leave and go some other place and still have to train the same amount of bodies?

Only the names would change in that scenerio. Instead of Jim leaving and coming to mainline for training, you now have Jim leaving for another airline and Steve replacing Jim, while Bob goes to mainline. Now you have to introduce two people to the corporate culture instead of just one.

 

[ReverseSensing]

So it is smarter to let a known quantity leave and go some other place and still have to train the same amount of bodies?

Only the names would change in that scenerio. Instead of Jim leaving and coming to mainline for training, you now have Jim leaving for another airline and Steve replacing Jim, while Bob goes to mainline. Now you have to introduce two people to the corporate culture instead of just one.

I'm afraid Trogdor is probably correct. This happens all the time at QX/AS.

Your logic may make sense to you and I, but to the hiring types...well, I don't know what to say.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd want to have to keep my head down and kiss ass for a few years at Lynx to get a job at F9 mainline. If you really want F9 mainline, you might actually be better off NOT going to Lynx.

 

[getnverted]

I am betting they will be starting to announce their "openings" after the beginning of the year.

Any idea if this is the case for initial cadre checkairman positions as well?

 

[F9 Driver]

There isn't an operating certificate yet. Proving runs haven't started nor has a single airplane been delivered.

I'm sure there will be lots of info when it does happen though.

Expect GLA EMB CA rates for the Q400 would be my guess, and there will be a line out the door.

 

[Cloud F9]

Trench Pay?

Expect GLA EMB CA rates for the Q400 would be my guess, and there will be a line out the door

Is this a guess? I would figure something to mirror QX payscale for their dash drivers. What happened to the guy from F9 H.R. that was heading up the new Lynx HR?

I am sure F9 would love to hire on mesa's experienced Dash pilots - I'm they would get treated better!

 

[skygirl1968]

Hopefully those jobs stay under the frontier seniority list.

not a chance. they have made it very clear that lynx is going to be a completely separate entity from us here at mainline. they also made it clear at the town hall meeting that pay scales would be comparable to regionals (i.e. horizon, mesa, etc), nothing spectacular. i inquired about lynx openings myself and was told they they would be posted early next year.

 

[QCappy]

they also made it clear at the town hall meeting that pay scales would be comparable to regionals (i.e. horizon, mesa, etc),

There's a big difference between Horizon and Mesa payscales.:laugh:

 

[TOGA]

There's no reason the F9 pilots and the company can't both get what we want. They've stated that they want separate companies & I (for one of many) think that anything with Frontier on the side should be flown by Frontier pilots. We need look no further than Continental/Continental Micronesia to find an example of a nearly identical arrangement in action. They are separate companies whose airplanes are all flown by Continental pilots. As for the 'well-qualified' applicant being forced into the right seat of the Q400, that would be, IMO, the most significant problem with this arrangement. There are some possible work-arounds . . . fences, seat locks or some other leapfrogging scenario. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do see it as a surmountable challenge. Much better than accepting the same screw-job that's been handed to every single pilot group before us that's dealt with a holding company/wholly-owned subsidiary scenario. How many 'well-qualified' applicants do you think we'll get when our growth is stagnant and our future even less certain? In case any of my fellow F9 pilots are wondering, yes, I have repeatedly voiced my concerns and suggestions to the union . . . to no avail. Its been made clear that their minds are made up that the upcoming TA, with its scope clause, will be the answer. I wonder how many other union administrations have thought the exact same thing in recent years. Do you think they were right? If not, you need to make some noise, and I mean now! This thing is shaping up as I'm typing, and I get the distinct impression that my dissenting opinion is one of very few the union is hearing. Do you think that 'whatever's going to happen is going to happen'? If so, it will. The only way we can get what we want is if we make it known that it is what we want. 'One list' is good for everybody. We get the job protections we need and the company keeps it single greatest asset . . . loyal, dedicated, motivated pilots.

 

[ReverseSensing]

There's a big difference between Horizon and Mesa payscales.:laugh:

And an even bigger difference between Horizon and Mesa total compensation/benefits.

10% 401(k) match, anyone?

 

[F9 Buff]

If the same folks doing the hiring at Lynx were at F9 when Mesa was there, I suspect there will be very few current Mesa people getting hired to fly for Lynx.

It may have changed but I know Mesa was not a good experience toward the end of that relationship. I have heard people at the GO say that they will never hire a former United or Mesa employee after some of the attitudes they brought over.

 

[skygirl1968]

There's a big difference between Horizon and Mesa payscales.:laugh:

i haven't worked for either company, just using the reference that was given. please forgive my faux pas.

 

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