LR-31 Pay

[HMR]

I am just trying to tell you what the facts are, don't shoot the messenger.

I agree.

For the record, I haven't told a company "screw you", but I have politely declined around 3 positions due to low pay...

I've only had to politely decline two positions. Got "lucky" on the third. Thankful everyday I didn't settle for 50% pay.

 

[Bandit60]

"I am all for more pay, but I don't like when people artificially make them higher than they really are. "


Nothing artificial about those numbers. Or didn't you read FalconCapt's post quoting the NBAA's numbers??? I have got a copy of the Stanton Group's Industrial Flight Compensation Survey I could show you as well.

Whatever man, just trying to help you out. If you think that 28,000/yr. (which is at least $12,000 under industry average) is acceptable, go for it. The only problem with that logic is that you are only helping to create yet another toilet aviation job.

I am just trying to tell you what the facts are, don't shoot the messenger.





I dont think you understood what I am saying. I am not disputing the nbaa numbers, I am just putting them into prospective. Those numbers are not starting pay numbers. They reflect all pay not just starting pay. That is why the numbers are higher on the survey.

As far as inflating pay, I have seen it done many of times. That is just from personal experience. I was not accusing you of doing that.

I don't need your help. I never said that I have a job that pays that kinda of money. In fact I do just fine with my job.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE AN ARROGANT DOOSH BAG!! and if you dont mind having your wife work for months and pay the bills while you stay home, send resumes and probably scratch your bolas! than thats you.

My wife simply wouldnt let me work for 28K/yr. She knows better. She herself wouldnt step out the door for under 50K - and she has been out of the workforce for years with our family. You see, she also knows her self worth

Im certainly not arrogant - not one bit. Just not a farkin pilot whore who is too stupid to find the good jobs. If knowing my worth and insisting on it when I job shop is "arrogant" to you....so be it, call me arrogant...

and you? how much are you worth? 1/2 as much as the next guy? Is that what you HAVE to do to get the job? thats nice....hope your not teaching your kids that...

another "take em where you can get em" story huh??

Anyhow, my first corp (well, charter) job was back in the 90s when there were less corp jobs avail than today, PFT was rampant. I had 1500hrs. I worked a $hit schedule, flew marginal junk, had a slave driver as a boss. Never did PFT a bit, and was paid a decent, liveable wage for a guy at the time (approx 40K) while building good quick experience. I felt I got paid what was industry norm for the entry level work I was doing.. Soon I said thanks and moved to better...

You see, there is always 2 levels of guys job shopping.....some just cant seem to break out of the low, $hitbag level. They blame the economy, lack of type ratings, thier age, etc, etc, etc.....for these folks 28K "aint too shabby" until that golden job comes around....yup....its coming....

whatever....good luck to ya.

 

[pa56pa]

I'm not ok with 28k a year, why? b/c I know there are companies out there that pay more. But once again, they want qualified pilots. I am already looking at other companies for future employment. But I atleast owe my company a year of service before even thinkning about leaving. But lets face it pretty much the whole **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** industry is underpaid right now

Hmmm... I see you're beginning to admit that $28K IS an insult wage... lol, Dude,
thats all we're saying too.. you just need to lighten up when you don't like what you hear ...

 

[G100driver]

We simply would not whore ourselves to accept that figure as the living conditions would not justify the $$ being taken in... simple as that.

BTW, how are thing at Pacific Jet?

 

[pa56pa]

Pac Jet

Honestly, I don't know... I'm sure it's as miserable as when I left there... Now that you brought up the subject.. last night, I heard a "Pacific Jet 1" on the frequency... Of course, I had to laugh when I remembered a while back that they used this call sign when they would conduct a "ghost" flight, where the owner would not know his airplane was being taken up on a flight, perhaps with lots of revenue that they may not be aware of... Theyve had a history of altering hours on flight logs, MX paperwork, etc...

I work for a wonderful company now that knows and understands what their pilots are worth... Pacific Jet unfortunately has not learned this.

 

[HMR]

I work for a wonderful company now that knows and understands what their pilots are worth... Pacific Jet unfortunately has not learned this.

That's nice to hear that someone got a good job after Pacific Jet. I've always tried to steer my friends away from there out of fear it would look bad on their resume.

"Pacific Jet 1"-That's funny. What call sign do they use for their bogus middle of the night, noise-curfew-busting charter...erm..I mean "air-ambulance" trips?