Low Mins

[CX880]

The 500 hour minimum that expressjet/eagle/pinnacle have, is that only for the big academy guys? Do they actually hire with that many hours? I really have no expectations from a regional so I'm looking to go to the one that hires with the least amont of hours.

 

[undpilot]

The 500 hour minimum that expressjet/eagle/pinnacle have, is that only for the big academy guys? Do they actually hire with that many hours? I really have no expectations from a regional so I'm looking to go to the one that hires with the least amont of hours.

There are guys in class at Pinnacle right now with less 300 hours. They just happen to have a DC-9 type as well.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

If you know somebody that can walk your stuff in, there are cases of folks coming in with less than that (300 or so)

 

[imacdog]

They just happen to have a DC-9 type as well.

Which doesn't translate to real experience, but whatever works I guess.

 

[CX880]

There are guys in class at Pinnacle right now with less 300 hours. They just happen to have a DC-9 type as well.

Are you serious? Those guys are probably the ones from the ATP PFT program right? I'm talking about somebody who is form the streets, at what kind of hours can you expect a call?

 

[CRJ Skillz]

dont work for those companies! Come to ASA

 

[Burt Reynolds]

You're kidding right? FlightSafety has sent more 300 hr guys to ASA through their "bridge" program than I care to think about. But then again, they've probably got the skillz. I mean, they passed ground school and all.

 

[undpilot]

Are you serious? Those guys are probably the ones from the ATP PFT program right? I'm talking about somebody who is form the streets, at what kind of hours can you expect a call?

ERAU CAPT Program. Most of those in my class that were CFI's had around 1000tt and 100 multi. The low time guys ranged from the 200's to the 600's coming from CAPT, Gulfstream, and UND.

 

[CLR2LAN]

ERAU CAPT Program. Most of those in my class that were CFI's had around 1000tt and 100 multi. The low time guys ranged from the 200's to the 600's coming from CAPT, Gulfstream, and UND.

What airline is this?? Seriously, just asking, pm me it, if you'd rather.

 

[undpilot]

What airline is this?? Seriously, just asking, pm me it, if you'd rather.

Pinnacle

 

[Turtlesfly]

Are those Regional Airline Academy people in DeLand Florida a part of that? You can buy your CRJ type rating there as well as part of their "bridge" program.

You ready for a laugh: speaking of shameful low-time placement people who have been deceived . . .

in the Geneseo Republic (western Illinois) newspaper this month ran an article about the local "Air show" which was disguised as a recruiting session for various academies. This is a partial copy of the article:

"He (Ben Grems, featured in this article) added, 'They told me Delta Connection Academy was a very good school.'

Grems selected the school after initially considering attending Southern Illinois University.

'I'd done some research, and I learned about Delta Connection Academy. My dad and I got their phone number and they flew us down to visit,' he said.
'The school has placed 100 percent of its graduates with an airline. SIU didn't offer job placement, so Delta Connectrion won,' Grems explained.

Becoming a commercial pilot through the school takes roughly two years.

'You must complete a bunch of different courses, and, at the end, you're certified as an airline transport pilot, which means you're a commercial pilot,' he said.

Once his training is complete, Grems said he'd like to fly for Delta.

'Since the school's connected with that airline, I'd like to go with them at first,' he said.

Eventually, though, he'd be willing to consider different airlines.

'I'd like to try to get on with AirTran. That's my ultimate dream. They're a very good company.'

Though the pilots who Grems met with at his graduation party fly military jets, their job holds no appeal for him.

'Military jets are a little too fast for my tastes,' he admitted."

-Lisa Dwyer, Republic Editor


WTF??????????

Too fast for my taste? 100% placement? Once training is complete, fly for Delta? What are these people being told?

 

[CX880]

A long time ago when I talked to a dca salesman he mentioned delta in the phone call like 10 times, then he quoted me about 90K for the training, that's when I bid him good bye. What about expressjet, are there many guys with 500 hours? What's the QOL like there? Are you allowed to commute?

 

[SBD]

I know of a guy who got on with Pinnacle from RAA with 350TT and a CRJ type rating. I'm not 100% sure if he got through RAA. He was a former student of mine who got ripped off by DCA(go figure). What is a CRJ type rating worth these days? I'm sure it got him the job but what could he do with that elsewhere? Being that I am a former DCA guy doesn't say much. Trust me I learned a lot but got ripped off to my own stupidity. After I left DCA I felt I needed more experience to fly jets with my 1000TT. Got a gig flying a Citation SIC and built more time before I went to the regionals. That experience truly was more valuable than a CRJ Frasca program.

 

[pa31capt]

Why don't you flight instruct and gain some experience b4 trying get on with a regional, your only doing yourself a disservice IMHO.

 

[SBD]

pa31capt I don't know if you were directing your comments to me, but I truly felt that I would not get more out of doing steep turns or slow flight anymore. I felt that I needed more commercial experience. Luckily I got that gig flying the Citation(part 91). It truly was experience gainer for me.

 

[pa31capt]

it wasn't directed at you at all, it was directed at cx880. At 500 hours a pilot knows just enough to get themselves and whoever is with them hurt. I personally feel that someone needs more stick time to really know what they are doing. Things in the real world don't always happen the way they do in the books.

 

[Catbert]

What is up with this 100 ME requirement!?

I've met plenty of tools with 500 TT and 50 ME. I wouldn't let some of them taxi the 172.

I have 1200 TT, but not enough multi. Apparently the tool is more qualified than I am after I've done 1 1/2 years of instructing. Does that seem right?

Discuss among yourselves.

- The Cat

 

[Turtlesfly]

Cat - that avatar is funny as heck - where'd you get it?


And as I have stated on this board before about training institutions, all I ask is that they are honest and up front about what is required and what the hiring outlook/prospects are really like. If you know what your investment is going in and you accept it and it works out for you in the end, then congratulations you gambled and won. But to tell people that in two years you'll be with Delta . . . . is so deceptive . . . like asking people what are they going to do with the millions of dollars they're going to get when they win the lottery - of course they never will.

 

[CX880]

it wasn't directed at you at all, it was directed at cx880. At 500 hours a pilot knows just enough to get themselves and whoever is with them hurt. I personally feel that someone needs more stick time to really know what they are doing. Things in the real world don't always happen the way they do in the books.

Experience needed tops out at around 300 hours, after that it's just repetition. And it makes sense otherwise the commercial would have been at 500 hours or something. Plus, from what I've heard from commercial pilots, p121 rj flying is a real idiots job so 500 hours is not that surprising. For guys at expressjet, hows qol? Can you commute?

 

[jtrain609]

Experience needed tops out at around 300 hours, after that it's just repetition. And it makes sense otherwise the commercial would have been at 500 hours or something. Plus, from what I've heard from commercial pilots, p121 rj flying is a real idiots job so 500 hours is not that surprising. For guys at expressjet, hows qol? Can you commute?

BS. My biggest learning curve happened between 300 and 500 hours, which happens to be when my first 200 hours of dual given was.

Most instructors I know agree that your first 100-200 hours of dual given is when you really realize you don't know jack with this little time.

 

[pa31capt]

BS. My biggest learning curve happened between 300 and 500 hours, which happens to be when my first 200 hours of dual given was.

Most instructors I know agree that your first 100-200 hours of dual given is when you really realize you don't know jack with this little time.

Save your breath, he (cx880) has to be flaming...... or he went to riddle. Just check out some of his other posts.

 

[motor_boating]

Experience needed tops out at around 300 hours, after that it's just repetition. And it makes sense otherwise the commercial would have been at 500 hours or something. Plus, from what I've heard from commercial pilots, p121 rj flying is a real idiots job so 500 hours is not that surprising. For guys at expressjet, hows qol? Can you commute?

You must be kidding me!! I don't think there should be any airline pilots out there under 1000TT. You learn the most typically in the first 200 hrs of dual given. Graduating with a degree and your ratings, only provides you with enough knowledge if that, to begin instructing! You'll be amazed how much stuff you'll pick up in the next 600 hours after instructing. Your cheating yourself and risking the lives of others, by jumping the boat to the regional... And to say that the CRJ flying is an "idiots job." I bet you couldn't even survive a takeoff at the speeds you'll have to adjust to in a jet. The C172 and even your seneca at best, is comparable to a geo metro with a turbo-charged engine!

 

[SBD]

Instructing was a real eye opener for me. I found out through the first 100-300 hours of dual given that I really needed more experience. How someone gets on with 500 TT is just amazing. After you reach 1000TT I strongly believe that doing stalls and chandelles is not beneficial anymore. Go out and get some real world commercial experience if at all possible.

 

[jebmei]

My 2 cents

I think guys should go fly 135 single pilot IFR for 6 months before flying for the regionals. I put in 6 at Amflight and went for 1200 / 88 twin to 1550, 300+ ME.

Also, I learned more during those 6 months than all my previous years of instructing and classes. I've flown ILS approaches to 200/ .5 6X this week, I dodge t-storms, sigmets, and moderate icing in mountainous terrain on a frequent basis. People get jobs with low flight times; but I’m a better pilot for the time I spent in 135.