Lots to consider....

[SEVEN]

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[SEVEN]

Man this pi$$es me off. People with attitudes should never be allowed in the training department. This is a perfect example of why. This company just invested about $10,000-$12,000 in your training and you are thinking of leaving because of a bad instructor. Training departments should be more selective IMHO.

BTW, I speak with a little experience. I was a Beech 1900 instructor for an airline for about two years. Of course if they were more selective, I probably wouldn't have gotten the job

Just wanted to say nice Avatar. Although I almost lost my BOO BERRY breakfast all over my computer monitor.

 

[CJCCapt]

Definitely do not quit in training, it is a black mark that will follow you for a least five years, PIRA, extremely hard to explain in a future interview...

What ever you do, DO NOT QUIT. PRIA - Pilot's Records Information Act is the exact reason why. When you apply in the future to another airline you WILL have to put on your application EVERY airline you were employed by. The prospective airline will check your training records. It will come out that you left during training at this airline. It's a ten-year hit on your records. You do not want to spend time in the interview trying to explain it away. If you don't divulge it in the interview, your app will go into the trash as soon as it's discovered. And the "instructor was a ***t" won't cut it.

Besides, you made it! If your instructor was that concerned, you wouldn't have been recommended for your 121.441 ride and probably wouldn't have passed. Go enjoy IOE. The experience will probably be totally different. BTW, you're going to fly with some captains out there you won't like. God knows we all have. It's part of the job. Be a professional.

 

[B1900FO]

My reasoning for wanting to finish my degree is not solely because of the majors. It's also because I've always wanted to do something on the side anyways. I have friends who are Major captains that have told me several stories about flying with guys who were Doctors, Lawyers, etc. I always kind of considered seeing myself doing something like that. The problem is I love to fly but I don't love to fly to the point of being treated like crap, so thats why I want the degree.

The worse part about this whole training experience is that in my opinion, and the captain I was paired up with, I did not do that bad flying. Not compared to some. So I must have gotten the intructors with the stick up there asses.

All this advice is much appreciated guys, and I appreciate you taking the time to reply!!

 

[Socalplt]

Just what exactly was the instructor giving you a hard time about?

 

[fam62c]

Stick with it.

You have to decide what you want. If you wanted to finish school you should have done that prior to applying with the airlines. Future employers WILL ask you about everything on your educational and employment records and it probably wouldn't look good to leave an airline right after being hired, it will be hard to explain and it makes you look indecisive. Since I've only heard your side of the story I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that the instructor was the problem. I would be interested to know what the instructor's impression of you was. From time to time in this industry, and every other industry for that matter, you will have to work with people who you would prefer not to work with. That's just the way it is.

From the perspective of someone who has been in the small airline industry a long time you should consider yourself lucky. You were hired by an airline with very little experience and you have made it through training successfully. Go through OE and get out on the line and I'm sure you will fly with mostly nice Captains. There are some jerks at every airline but you have to learn to work with everybody. You're still very young so give it at least a year and then decide what you want to do. You can either get your degree while still being a pilot (lots of people do this) or go back to school full time. If you leave after a year on good terms to go back to school it will be easier to explain in the future. You may even decide that airline flying or even flying in general is not for you after you have had some exposure to the career. If this is the case you have the option to go back to school and train for another career. Initial airline training can be very stressful so don't make any rash decisions. Best of luck to you in whatever you choose to do.

 

[avrodriver]

It might have been said already. But at least stay there long enough to meet the minimums of the majority of all the other regional carriers out there. Remember what a b*tch it was to build your multi time up??? Flying the line for 4-5 months should get you plenty.

Whether you quit and go straight to another regional, or quit and finish school, you've gotta meet the minimums to even have a chance.

 

[B1900FO]

Just what exactly was the instructor giving you a hard time about?

It wasn't just one or two things. It was the last 3 sessions when we had him and he yelled, stomped on the floor, and snapped his fingers at both of us quite frequently.

 

[81Horse]

It wasn't just one or two things. It was the last 3 sessions when we had him and he yelled, stomped on the floor, and snapped his fingers at both of us quite frequently.

Oh. That. Forget about him. You'll run into him over and over again, until you retire.

Go do your OE, and then go have some fun. It'll all be new and exciting for you. Study up on your airports.

 

[CJCCapt]

It wasn't just one or two things. It was the last 3 sessions when we had him and he yelled, stomped on the floor, and snapped his fingers at both of us quite frequently.

Ok. That's sounds unusal and un-professional. Don't worry about it. It's not the norm...and if he continues that sort of behavior, he won't be an instructor for very long.

One other thought. You're only 20. You have three years until you can sit in the left seat anyway. Spend three or four months on the line and then put your app in with a RJ carrier. Lot's of young guys do this. Spend the next several years in a jet. The pay will be better and you have to wait for the PIC time anyway. If you were 22 or 23 I would say hold out for the upgrade at your current carrier.

Last thought, though. Toughen up, man!

PS - If you're working at Colgan, PM me.

 

[fastbird]

Don't let the opinionated a-hole who spoiled your training fun get you down. The line is much better than training.

Going thru the sim and Indoc is NOT real airline life. Once you get on the line, it will be different. Just don't comment about the crappy folks because at this point, you'd be considered a whiner. Stick it out to get a couple hundred turbine hours at company expense.

I would look into finishing that degree. You have to have a back up to aviation.

FB

 

[Airway]

Even more the reason the training department shouldnt be lousy. I would agree that 900 hours is low, but I had much much more experience then the other guys in my class. Out of the new hires, I had the most hours. Thanks for the reply!

Why would you agree? Would another 200 hours of 152/172 time have made you a better 1900D pilot?

Just wondering.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Definitely do not quit in training, it is a black mark that will follow you for a least five years, PIRA, extremely hard to explain in a future interview. Pilots get hired because they have the flight time the airline is looking for, flight time is more important than the degree, build time, do the degree on the side. You can build meaningful time while doing the degree on the side, you can not build meaningful flight time going to college full time. I have seen too many pilots succedd following this route. BTW the market value of a 10-20 year old unused college degree is greatly overrated. Particularily for a pilot. Been there done that.

PilotYip makes a good point, an unused degree is useless for finding a well paying job. For instance, when I was furloughed, I had a B.S. Mechanical engineering that was 7 years old and trying to find a job was almost impossible. I had to return to school and get a masters before I was hirable. Maybe it is different for other degrees, but if you do get an engineering degree, experience is more important than the degree as well. If you don't have engineering experience, then you need a current degree to get hired. It's actually easier to get back into flying than it is getting back into another career after flying.

 

[B1900FO]

Why would you agree? Would another 200 hours of 152/172 time have made you a better 1900D pilot?

Just wondering.

Nope, not at all. I don't have much dual given anyways. I was flying a corporate operation with a 182, plus flying a Citation as well. To be honest, I am beating my head on the wall because I left both. I LOVED flying the Citation and enjoyed it every time I had a trip. I also took a $10,000 dollar pay cut. Everyone said it was the right thing for me to go to the airlines, but in hindsight I probably could have finished college while flying both the Citation and 182 and gotten on with a much better operation. We all live and learn. For some reason, I am not so excited to fly the 1900 and no, not because it's a turboprop. I love turboprops, its just the experience I had during training made it seem like it wasn't much fun, thats all. Put me in pretty much anything that flies and I'm happy, but when someone trains you to think it's not fun, I'm not so happy.

I know I've said it before, but I do appreciate everyone's replies. I was a little skeptical of explaining my situation and looking for advice for fear of being ridiculed for being sissy or something. Thanks again...

 

[Dubya]

Was it the "bend and snap"? If so...he may have just thought you were cute.

W

It wasn't just one or two things. It was the last 3 sessions when we had him and he yelled, stomped on the floor, and snapped his fingers at both of us quite frequently.