Lose The Veil Honey!

[NEDude]

To give you an idea of her thought process, chew on this fact....she converted to Islam after 9/11!

Actually she said in court yesterday that she converted to islam in January 1997 and began veiling at the end of 1997.


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[WrightAvia]

Real simple...it's the constitutional right of separation of church and state. If the state allows the photo to be taken with the VEIL ON, they have in effect endorsed Muslim as a state religion. The veil must go.

In the same token as the veil...I don't want the state school system or some other KID, indoctinating my child in religious presentations at state operated school graduation ceremonies.
It's not the place for it. You want to sing religious songs in church...fine. You want to use a public tax payer's government run facility for religious agenda...better get a freaking lawyer. As a taxpayer that would possibly be sending children to a public school...I expect them to get an education to achieve their high school diploma...not to hear about Budda, Christ, Jebus, Allah, Druidism, Wiccanism, Yahwey, Satanism or any other religion.

The VEIL must go for one reason only...separation of church and state. The same reason your kid cannot be allowed to use a public school for religious agenda.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/may03/143871.asp

 

[Capn Lucky]

One other germain point....

Her attorney is the leading hired gun for the central Florida ACLU. He was responsible for the removal of the cross from the St. Cloud, Florida water tower several years ago. He announced via the local media that he was seeking a client so that he could file a suit.

 

[Draginass]

She's probably doing everyone a favor by keeping the veil on.

Just when I think BS lawsuits can't get any more silly, another jerk comes along. There's no end to them.

 

[homebrew]

Excuse me WrightAvia;

I am only arguing two very mistaken assumptions on your part. Please show me where in any part of the US Constitution where there is any mention of church and state. There is none, unless you paste a doctored version of the original. The mention of church and state was sent in a letter by President Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church on Oct. 7, 1801 to inform them that the Federal Congress is prohibited from enacting any law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise therof. It was to separate the role of government in the decision making of religion and infringing on said individuals right to choose. It has absolutely nothing to do with what you are trying to argue. It has nothing to do with government forcing individuals to practice in only approved areas. This is yours and many others very incorrect belief. The proof is in the constitution. I agree with you that the school cannot specifically endorse a particular religion or belief, as per what I have just explained, but the school also cannot inhibit the right of any student to read or talk about a preferred faith unless it "substantially interferes with the work of the school, or impinges on the rights of other students." It all depends on how a student goes about this process. The fact remains that unless these conditions are met, nothing can stop this student from doing so. In 1968 Tinker vs. DesMoines Independent Community, the Supreme Court ruled "students do not shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate." It ruled that "students are free to express their religious views at school." Be very sure you have all the facts before you start spouting off about how you will retain an attorney if some KID indoctrinates(talks to) your kid about their beliefs, even at a public taxpayers public run facility(public school). Any kid HAS the right to talk to any other kid about their faith. It IS constitutional to do that. You are simply arguing based on emotion and not fact, that is very evident about these two very misinformed arguments of yours.

 

[rltoma]

I Agree! Last time I checked, driving was a privilage. This Woman is just waisting tax payer money with yet another worthless law suit.

 

[skypine69]

If you were a woman and went to her country would you wear a veil as required by law?

 

[acarpe3448]

Two things.

First: you could not pay me enough money to ever want to go to her country.

Second: if you look in my original post I stated that she should have two options.

1. To ride the bus or take a cab (obviously in our country)
2. To go back to her country.

I would proabably be happiest if she just left the country.

 

[NEDude]

If you were a woman and went to her country would you wear a veil as required by law?

First: you could not pay me enough money to ever want to go to her country.

Then please leave now!!!

She is a U.S. citizen. Born in the U.S. as well. She is a white woman and raised in a christian family. She converted to Islam in 1997 after graduating college.

I think they should just use one of her mug shots. She has been arrested at least twice for child abuse.

 

[acarpe3448]

Take a chill man. Obviously I am just kidding to a point. However, I just feel people like this are taking advantage of this country, and are trying to stretch the laws as far as they can in the name of Islam!

 

[WrightAvia]

well then homebrew...

You can sit in your kid's highschool graduation ceremony and listen to a buddist song, a hindu song, a wiccan song, a muslim song and a jewish song and then of course after every body is done, we can hear the Christian song...after all W.W.J.J.W.D.? http://www.rottencotton.com/shirts/black_pop/315_jj.gif

Since according to you, the government can't separate itself from religion...then we have to be nice. Let everybody have their way and their say. Listen to their songs and let them plant the Koran in front of the county courthouse, right next to the ten commandments. So based on your argument...the lady GETS to wear the VEIL. End of discussion. Just don't be surpised when we have to hear a freaking Hindu religious song before the start of an NFL game or car race.

I'm sorry, but if the argument for the separation of church and state...is all said and done, there wouldn't be 453,000 returns on the phrase "separation of church and state" on www.google.com

 

[wildbill]

Off with the veil....Driving is a privilage and not a right. As to political correctness, it bites.. A small group of individuals who don't like themselves to start with want us to conform to their way of thinking or ideas to make them happy.. If they don't like the way it is here, the borders are open.

 

[FL000]

Her religious beliefs apparently didn't stop her from unveiling for her mugshot in Illinois.

Sounds like she's just a troublemaker.

 

[stillaboo]

The school also cannot inhibit the right of any student to read or talk about a preferred faith unless it "substantially interferes with the work of the school, or impinges on the rights of other students."

This is true. By the same token, a photo ID that obscures the face substantially interferes with the work of the State of Florida in that photo ID's are used to determine identity. Women can't pull their hair over their face in DMV photos for the same reason.

So what if some idiot in the Florida DMV let her wear a veil in her liscense photo? It came to the attention of someone in the DMV that a mistake was made, and the state made efforts to rectify the situation.

Actions inconsistent with an established pattern (allowing a face to be obscured is inconsistent with the established pattern of photos free of facial obscurations) is not a legal justification. You can't grandfather in a veil when grandpa never wore one.

The ACLU knows this, just as they know you can't put crosses on public water towers. I generally support their goals, but they seem to be spoiling for a fight on this one.

-Boo!

 

[NEDude]

What is ironic is she wants to keep her veil on because, she claims, of modesty and humility. Yet the publicity has caused her pictures (ie Mug Shots) to be plastered all over the news and internet. She is becoming a household name. Seems like her lawsuit against Florida is doing far more damage to her modesty and humility than any driver license photo could do.

 

[RockyMnt1]

Yikes!!

I would even encourage her to do us all a favor and keep wearing the veil after the unveiled picture is made.

My personal opinion is that she is looking for a place on that TV show Extreme Makeover. She is a prime candidate.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Sandra Keller...was arrested in Decatur, Illinois for battering a foster child. [Keller], 35, pleaded guilty in 1999 to felony aggravated battery and was sentenced to 18 months probation. As a result of the conviction, state officials removed two foster children from Freeman's care.

Beat up a kid, did she? And a foster kid no less. She's a dirtbag.

I've seen too many women in this country (particularly in the DFW area) who believe they can shelter themselves from evil by "converting" to Islam. (Any woman who thinks switching to Islam is a good idea needs to have her head examined anyway.)

This is silly: to drive, you have to have a license. To have a license, you have to have a picture taken of your face. It's just that simple.

 

[uwochris]

This kind of stuff makes me sick!

I always got frustrated when non-catholic students attended a catholic high school I went to and got exempt from going to mass or from taking religion class. If you don't like the rules of a school/country, go some place!

How's about we go to some Islam country and refuse to abide by their Islam laws... I wonder how'd they react??

 

[Skaz]

wrightavia in the USA of all places you have freedom of speech, do you not? same as you have freedom to listen or not.
you dont like hindu songs, dont listen to them.

I believe that you have the right to believe whatever you want to, you just dont have the right to force your beliefs on me. And vice versa.

I'm not Christian, nor am I Muslin, those people that do adhere to those faiths, great, I'm happy for them, but I get really p1ssed when some bible (or koran ) thumping doorbell ringing zealot tries to convert me to his religion after I have politely, respectfully and clearly stated "I'm not interested, thank you....now fcuk off please"

this woman had her own beliefs, great. The law of the land requires her to have a picture ID, for identification purposes by law enforcement officers, (for safety/security/ administration purposes or just to be able to enter a prize draw at McDonalds) whilst she excercises the priviledge of driving her vehicle. No photo?no license, end of story

she was unveiled for her mugshot, now she has a problem with the veil-issue. troublemaker indeed.

 

[skykid]

If she gets to sport the veil in the picture, does that mean a card carrying member of the KKK can wear their hood for the picture?

Devils advocate - "She has to wear the veil all the time, the KKK guy doesn't." Wrong, she doesn't have to wear the veil except in public, and I'm sure that could be added to the KKK bylaws too.

Devils advocate - "She is obeying her religion, the Klansman isn't." Are you sure, some of those guys seem pretty committed, and who can say what someone is allowed to worship.