Looks like falconair is scabbing!!!

[Captain Oveur]

Er...shouldn't your response be, "Cool, welcome to the side of good!"? If you can
convince all the guys flying for possible strikebreakers to abandon the dark side,
that's a victory. If you drive him back to doing whatever his boss wants him to do,
that's not.

 

[rumorhasit]

Just a quick question from an outside observer. On the spirit scab website they have 10 "non excuses" for flying this work while the union is on strike. What does a new hire in indoc or systems class do? Do they just say screw you I'm not going to class and get released? Because as I understand first year pilot may not be covered by the union until they are off probation?

 

[Mike man]

Just a quick question from an outside observer. On the spirit scab website they have 10 "non excuses" for flying this work while the union is on strike. What does a new hire in indoc or systems class do? Do they just say screw you I'm not going to class and get released? Because as I understand first year pilot may not be covered by the union until they are off probation?

Probationary pilots are covered once they have flown one revenue leg.

Others could be fired, but typically can be covered by the "return to work" provision with the new contract.

 

[Lear70]

Spirit's definition of struck work includes those in training. ANY phase of training.

So if you take the job and show up for class while they're on strike, you're a Scab. If you refuse to come to class, you're likely fired, and the union will have to negotiate your return as a "contract hostage" in the closing discussions of the T.A.

 

[Joblu]

Spirit's definition of struck work includes those in training. ANY phase of training.

So if you take the job and show up for class while they're on strike, you're a Scab. If you refuse to come to class, you're likely fired, and the union will have to negotiate your return as a "contract hostage" in the closing discussions of the T.A.

You're still a scab either way. So it is likely those negotiations will be pretty short. If you were already in training before the strike then refused to come to class that would be another story.

 

[rumorhasit]

So if you were in class before the strike what would you do? And is there any new hires in this catagory of in class then strike?

 

[boomlrd]

Lets not get off topic, there are NO new hires at Spirit. There are currently furloughed pilots. Spirit is not hiring any new pilots. No one is in class either.

 

[Mike man]

The captain on the flight is a early retiree from Delta.

 

[say again]

The captain on the flight is a early retiree from Delta.

Retire from Delta to fly for this scumbag outfit?

 

[boomlrd]

PM me a picture of the Captain D K, we need it for a special project.

 

[Cardinal]

Just a quick question from an outside observer. On the spirit scab website they have 10 "non excuses" for flying this work while the union is on strike. What does a new hire in indoc or systems class do? Do they just say screw you I'm not going to class and get released? Because as I understand first year pilot may not be covered by the union until they are off probation?

Look up the "570" from the United strike of 1985. The company created a massive training bubble of new hires, with the misguided expectation that they would form the core of a strike breaking force. Didn't happen, almost to a man they held the line, and the company capitulated. A heroic set of pilots. It then required additional heroics on the part of ALPA to keep the 570 on the seniority list but they prevailed. Hostages are not forgotten.

"From Wooden Wings" is a captivating account of ALPA at United, and discusses the 570: http://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=10671

 

[ALPO]

According to the Spirt website these guys used "Spirt" callsign? Completley illegal, your call sign is part of your certificate, you can't just use another company's call sign?

 

[GogglesPisano]

According to the Spirt website these guys used "Spirt" callsign? Completley illegal, your call sign is part of your certificate, you can't just use another company's call sign?

Have you ever flown in the ACMI world? They take "hired help" to an all-new level.

 

[B727FA]

According to the Spirt website these guys used "Spirt" callsign? Completley illegal, your call sign is part of your certificate, you can't just use another company's call sign?

When I was at Sunworld we flew DOJ flights as "Justice 501, 502, etc."

 

[ALPO]

Yeah, that's cause you were flying for JPATS and you have to have that call sign, like "lifeguard". It all has to do with, if something happens. If something happened to one of those Vision flights emergency agencies would be contacting Spirt OCC, who probably wasn't even the building at the time. It's not legal

 

[GogglesPisano]

Vision is an ACMI carrier. Using the client's callsign is routine in the supplemental world.

 

[Mr Wu]

If something happened to one of those Vision flights

What Vision flights?

 

[Metro III]

Yea, what Vision flights? Vision mgmt stepped up before Vision pilots had to. There were NO Vision flights!!!!

 

[ALPO]

Sorry, meant Falconair

 

[27 driver]

Retire from Delta to fly for this scumbag outfit?

Five divorces cost a lot of money.