Looking into gulfstream

[BOOZENEWS]

What is it you think awaits you at the end of the "fast track to the airlines"?
Good pay? Time off? Retirement benefits? Think again.
Have you been talking to some old retired pilot in your neighborhood that still thinks making the sacrifices you are thinking about making is worth it? The number of good (really good) flying jobs out there is very small. The number of highly qualified pilots looking to get those jobs is huge.

Dude, do yourself a favor and stop now. You are years away from being competitive for a decent job - it doesn't matter how much you want to pay. Take your $$ and buy a plane or go into it with someone else and fly for fun. Do some research on what the pilot profession is being reduced to before you try to find a track (fast/slow/dead-end, whatever) to "the airlines".

I am willing to put down $29,000 and then make 8/hr for the next 250 hrs. I just love flying so much that I'd even be willing to fly the 250 hrs for free.


I defenitly want to fly for an airline someday. I would be perfectly happy topping out at 50K as a capt with 20 yrs senority at a major airline flying a 737 or similar. The fact that I'd be flying a jet, wearing a nice uniform and traveling all over the place would make 50K seem like good pay. I want to do whatever to get noticed by the airlines with the least amount of time. At the moment I do love to fly so much though that I would be willing to make 25K as a 737 FO and 50K as a 737 capt.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

Try this:
1: Stand about 18-24 inches from a wall with your feet shoulder width apart.
2: Place both hands on the wall
3: Move head sharply forward making hard and sudden contact with the wall.
4: Now check and see if you have snapped yourself out of your little dream
world and back to reality.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I am willing to put down $29,000 and then make 8/hr for the next 250 hrs. I just love flying so much that I'd even be willing to fly the 250 hrs for free.


I defenitly want to fly for an airline someday. I would be perfectly happy topping out at 50K as a capt with 20 yrs senority at a major airline flying a 737 or similar. The fact that I'd be flying a jet, wearing a nice uniform and traveling all over the place would make 50K seem like good pay. I want to do whatever to get noticed by the airlines with the least amount of time. At the moment I do love to fly so much though that I would be willing to make 25K as a 737 FO and 50K as a 737 capt.

With that type of thinking why don't you run for an office like "President", I here they spend millons to geta job paying 500k or less a year.

 

[banned username 2]

I am willing to put down $29,000 and then make 8/hr for the next 250 hrs. I just love flying so much that I'd even be willing to fly the 250 hrs for free.


I defenitly want to fly for an airline someday. I would be perfectly happy topping out at 50K as a capt with 20 yrs senority at a major airline flying a 737 or similar. The fact that I'd be flying a jet, wearing a nice uniform and traveling all over the place would make 50K seem like good pay. I want to do whatever to get noticed by the airlines with the least amount of time. At the moment I do love to fly so much though that I would be willing to make 25K as a 737 FO and 50K as a 737 capt.

Total Flame Bait, ignore this guy...

 

[AdlerDriver]

I am willing to put down $29,000 and then make 8/hr for the next 250 hrs. I just love flying so much that I'd even be willing to fly the 250 hrs for free.


I defenitly want to fly for an airline someday. I would be perfectly happy topping out at 50K as a capt with 20 yrs senority at a major airline flying a 737 or similar. The fact that I'd be flying a jet, wearing a nice uniform and traveling all over the place would make 50K seem like good pay. I want to do whatever to get noticed by the airlines with the least amount of time. At the moment I do love to fly so much though that I would be willing to make 25K as a 737 FO and 50K as a 737 capt.

Oh, okay... well when you put it that way...... I didn't know you were going to be wearing a "nice uniform". :erm:
In that case, I totally understand. Go for it, dude.

Since you have such a low opinion of the value of a properly trained, experienced, professional pilot and are going to be so happy making 25K as an F/O - How about if you donate anything you make over that to a charity or maybe to the furloughed pilots of the industry.

UFB!!! This has got to be a joke. I'd love to talk to this guy in 20 years if he actually ends up in the cockpit of a real jet. :laugh:

 

[aerodromebum]

I am willing to put down $29,000 and then make 8/hr for the next 250 hrs. I just love flying so much that I'd even be willing to fly the 250 hrs for free.


I defenitly want to fly for an airline someday. I would be perfectly happy topping out at 50K as a capt with 20 yrs senority at a major airline flying a 737 or similar. The fact that I'd be flying a jet, wearing a nice uniform and traveling all over the place would make 50K seem like good pay. I want to do whatever to get noticed by the airlines with the least amount of time. At the moment I do love to fly so much though that I would be willing to make 25K as a 737 FO and 50K as a 737 capt.

The dreded "Shiny Jet Syndrome" has claimed yet another victim!

 

[BOOZENEWS]

The dreded "Shiny Jet Syndrome" has claimed yet another victim!

What is shiny jet syndrome? I can't figure why all of you are so upset at me. I would be content flying a jet for a major airline for around 50K. I think paying for flight time will get you some good experience pretty fast. Why is that such a bad thing?

 

[aerodromebum]

What is shiny jet syndrome? I can't figure why all of you are so upset at me. I would be content flying a jet for a major airline for around 50K. I think paying for flight time will get you some good experience pretty fast. Why is that such a bad thing?

For starters, take a look at the thread titled "SJS - The Career Killer" in this forum. I think it's currently at page 12 or 13...

BTW, We're not upset at you. At least I'm not. We're just trying to keep you from making a huge mistake. As many will attest, flying jets, especially at a regional, isn't all what it's cracked up to be.

Do not fall for the gimmicks of Gulfstream and others who entice you with the idea of gaining "real airline experience" when in fact they're trying to trick you into PAYING THEM for a job that should be a PAID POSITION.

 

[mcjohn]

Damnit!! Here it goes. What the hell is this thing "FLAME BAIT". It was a little over a year ago, I tried defending going to Gulfstream. I think I might have been one of the people that inspired folks to coin such a phrase. I learned a lot from understanding PFT. What is the evolution of the term "flame bait?" It seems like something dorks enjoy throwing around.
Not saying I'm not a dork or anything but c'mon!?

 

[AdlerDriver]

dangit!! Here it goes. What the hell is this thing "FLAME BAIT". It was a little over a year ago, I tried defending going to Gulfstream. I think I might have been one of the people that inspired folks to coin such a phrase. I learned a lot from understanding PFT. What is the evolution of the term "flame bait?" It seems like something dorks enjoy throwing around.
Not saying I'm not a dork or anything but c'mon!?

It has nothing to do with you specifically. It's just a term that refers to something that is posted as intentional BS in an attempt to "bait" people into angered responses. (at least that's my .02 on it)

 

[white knuckle]

They Suck, flame bait!!!!

 

[AgDownUnder]

What is shiny jet syndrome? I think paying for flight time will get you some good experience pretty fast. Why is that such a bad thing?

Two things here, first, you sound like a troll either advertizing for Gulfstreams rip-off program, or just trying to elicit angry comments.
Next is even if you are being genuine, your assumption is incorrect. It does not really provide you with any experience that is USEFULL in furthering your career goals, and is viewed (correctly) by many as something that can actually derail or at least severely limit your aspirations. On top of that you'll have wasted a good deal of money. If you want to put that 30 grand to better use, buy into an Arrow with a couple other guys, or better yet, a Beech Travel Air, get your CFII MEI ratings and sell multi and instrument ratings as well as cross country time building blocks with you in the right seat as instructor. You'll do your time building for free, may even make a couple bucks as long as you treat the plane well, and when you move on, you can sell your share and get at least part of your money back, and potentially turn a profit. I built 1100 hrs of multi in my Travel Air this way, though I didn't have a partner. I managed my expenses by working as a mechanic at a repair station so my maintenance costs were minimized. Heck if you don't want to buy a plane, you can buy blocks of time from those who do, you'll get twice the hours for your $$$. The simple fact is, on initial SIC jobs, turbine time isn't really important, PIC is the most important, you need to be showing up with at least 1000 hrs. Multi time is next and you want at least 200. Turbines are actually easier to operate than recips, and you can practice approaches at the same speed with a Travel Air as a 777, just leave the plane clean and the power up. Also, beware of being in the right seat of a single pilot aircraft, that time isn't loggable at all, though that's not the situation in the 1900.

 

[FR8mastr]

This is total flame!
However GS is the perfect place for someone like Booznews, I think you should plop down your cash now before this opportunity of the fast track is missed.

 

[Say Again Over]

Go to Gulfstream, how do you think we all got here!:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Guys, stop responding to this idiot. He's not serious. He's only trying to get everyone worked up. I think some of you need to tune up your flamebait detector.

 

[John2375]

And don't forget about all the HOT women you'll pick up w/that uniform..better hope they're happy with a "low-budget" date

 

[BOOZENEWS]

This is total flame!
However GS is the perfect place for someone like Booznews, I think you should plop down your cash now before this opportunity of the fast track is missed.

What is flamebait? Why are all of you so upset? In this competitive industry a good pilot program like Gulfstream WILL get you ahead. All I want to do is fly. I don't mind the low wages at all.

And don't forget about all the HOT women you'll pick up w/that uniform..better hope they're happy with a "low-budget" date

Again I'll be so happy just to be able to fly that I'll gladly go for a cheap date as long as it's with a hot woman!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Again I'll be so happy just to be able to fly that I'll gladly go for a cheap date as long as it's with a hot woman!

Since you apparently don't have anything better to do with your free time than post flame bait on this forum, I don't think a job at NASA would help you to get a date bud.

 

[AgDownUnder]

What is flamebait? Why are all of you so upset? In this competitive industry a good pilot program like Gulfstream WILL get you ahead. All I want to do is fly. I don't mind the low wages at all.

You just identified yourself as a shill for Gulfstream, that was a dumb move, but since your program is reasonably effective for your airline (not your F/Os) you figure that most people are stupid. You came here with a question to advertise your program and the responses were overwhelmingly negative and since this thread has been viewed over 1100 times, you are now stuck defending it. The "Gulfstream WILL get you ahead" was your error. There is no need to sureptitiously advertise here, unless of course all the bucks you guys pay out for those ads in all the glossy rags has begun failing to bring in enough people naive enough to fill your right seats with paying passengers, and you may have to start paying people to ride in those seats. Not a wise move to defend the thread here, you should have just let it die when the first set of responses came in. Now you have shown how desperate your situation is, and even the naive and stupid can see that it's a load of crap for a program. You all had a good run of it, I remember your ads from over a decade ago when I was starting out. The internet and the communications era has though exposed the progam for what it is by putting prospective candidates and the dissillusioned graduates of the program together in an open forum. Start figuring out how your going to change your revenue stream to make up for the declining idjits enrolling and the loss of that seat mile revenue and the additional expense of doubling your paid flight crew roles.

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Ha Ha got y'all!!!

Everything I said was made up and a complete lie!! I just wanted to throw out a bunch of FB to see who would take it and who wouldn't. I got to say that not as many took it as I had thought.

Out of all seriousness it PISSES ME OFF that my generation of pilots set the bar so low and are willing to work for next to nothing. This is like having sex with the fattest and ugliest girl because you are dying to lose your virginity and can't score with a hottie!! Although I have only 150 hrs I have learned a lot about the industry from reading these posts. Again pure flame bait that I posted about GS and in all seriousness I do hope the worst is over in yet another downturn in this industry.


Stay strong everyone!!