Look for SWA to aquire AAI

[humuakalaka]

Why? What does FL offer that WN can't get for themselves?

FL is largely a domestic carrier. WN is nothing but a domestic carrier and has slowed some growth. So why buy another carrier that's mostly domestic when you're trying to slow domestic growth?

If SWA buys anyone, it will be to expand internationally. Someone with a similar aircraft type(s), that's cheap to buy, and comes with all the required certificates, i.e. ETOPS, NATS, and foreign authorization, as well as all the managment and training required to operate.

Agree with you. The only real advantage AAI would offer SWA is 1) access to ATL, 2) access to LGA, and 3) the elimination of a major low-cost competitor. Those are nice, but not worth buying an entire airline for. SWA is trying to slow growth at the moment and if it bought anything it would be a company that offered some sort of international advantage.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Today: Mostly sunny, with a high near 113. Southwest wind between 5 and 7 mph.

Tonight: Partly cloudy, with a low around 91. West southwest wind around 6 mph becoming calm.

Y'all are ridiculous. Nobody's getting stapled, and it ain't gonna rain.

 

[B727Driver]

only rain in sight is the rain on their parade of merger. If by chance there was a buyout, BIG SWA in ATL and a codeshare that SWA really wants for international ops.....with Delta. It would not do SWA or Delta any good to go toe to toe in ATL. The codeshare in ATL, JFK and LAX would benefit both carriers and really put the hurt on the other legacy carriers. JFK marketing kicks JB and VA. Stranger things have happened.

 

[bravodude]

Guess we should be glad that it's NOT up to you.

I thought the first post about that from bravodude was just flamebait... maybe not.

Re-interview for the job you already have... genius. And what will you do when you kill a large percentage of the pilots in the "interview" and you still have to staff those planes PLUS your deliveries?

Armchair CEO decisions don't always work out so well, huh?

Not that I believe this will happen but, if it ever did, I think we're going to have to be a little more "team players" than the attitudes that some are displaying here.

As far as stapling, it would suck for our senior CA's but, with some fences in to protect the guys who are due to retire and/or upgrade in the next few years as well as pay protection when the fences come down, by and large it wouldn't be a bad deal.

I still think we'll be more likely to merge with Frontier. Care to make a bet, roughkneck? :beer:

Like I said before I am all for integration you just have to re ineterview. If we kill a large percentage of the pilots so bee it they don't deserve it then. Its all about protectiting the culture here if you can't understand that then you would probably be the one of the few that don't make it.

 

[tomgoodman]

Unlikely

A movie studio boss in "The Three Amigos" lamented "we strayed from the formula and we paid the price!"
Kelleher and his group are too smart to do that.

 

[Lear70]

Like I said before I am all for integration you just have to re ineterview. If we kill a large percentage of the pilots so bee it they don't deserve it then. Its all about protectiting the culture here if you can't understand that then you would probably be the one of the few that don't make it.

I understand.

You do realize you come across incredibly self-righteously when you say that, don't you?

I highly doubt Southwest is going to make 1,800 pilots re-interview for their jobs. Part of that whole "corporate culture" thing at Southwest we were talking about... you know, the part to where they don't want to alienate an entire work group...?

If they did, they'd also have to re-interview every flight attendant, gate agent, mechanic, customer service rep, and manager, just to avoid the discriminatory practice lawsuit.

And, when they go through all those and can about half the employee group (just a number), how are they going to staff the airline?

It's just not feasible. Nor is it ethical. But it's easy to say so from where you're sitting. Pray the roles are never reversed and someone is slinging that same mud right back at you.

Karma's a b*tch.

 

[Flying the Line]

Frontier flies to Mexico from lots of WN cities, That is why it would be F9.

 

[sqwkvfr]

Y'all are ridiculous. Nobody's getting stapled, and it ain't gonna rain.

Rained yesterday.

 

[Daddy]

Light rain?

 

[bravodude]

I understand.

You do realize you come across incredibly self-righteously when you say that, don't you?

I highly doubt Southwest is going to make 1,800 pilots re-interview for their jobs. Part of that whole "corporate culture" thing at Southwest we were talking about... you know, the part to where they don't want to alienate an entire work group...?

If they did, they'd also have to re-interview every flight attendant, gate agent, mechanic, customer service rep, and manager, just to avoid the discriminatory practice lawsuit.

And, when they go through all those and can about half the employee group (just a number), how are they going to staff the airline?

It's just not feasible. Nor is it ethical. But it's easy to say so from where you're sitting. Pray the roles are never reversed and someone is slinging that same mud right back at you.

Karma's a b*tch.

You are absolutly right. KARMA IS A b!TCH. except you are on the wrong end of that statement. southwest became what it is today in aprt due to their corporate culture if you remember anything then you will recall both herb and SW saying they will never merge another company again because of too many culture issues. you want to think i am self righteous go ahead and think that i could care less. Personally I don't think wee will buy anyone unless forced to do so by the industry in the mean why don;t you concentrate on your recall efforts at home.

 

[Lear70]

You are absolutly right. KARMA IS A b!TCH. except you are on the wrong end of that statement.

What an absolutely LOVELY sentiment. So you think you're just untouchable to *EVER* be on the other end of that pendulum? Wow. I mean... just... WOW.

southwest became what it is today in aprt due to their corporate culture if you remember anything then you will recall both herb and SW saying they will never merge another company again because of too many culture issues.

That's fine. I already said I thought it was doubtful, that wasn't the point. The *POINT* was that one group of pilots (or individual pilot) has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to tell another group of pilots who are being acquired/merged that they should have to jump through hoops just to KEEP their own jobs.

If you don't understand the ethical issues with that, I'm not going to try to educate you; your parents should have done that.

you want to think i am self righteous go ahead and think that i could care less.

Case in point. Thanks for making my argument for me.

Personally I don't think wee will buy anyone unless forced to do so by the industry in the mean why don;t you concentrate on your recall efforts at home.

Ummm... this thread was about AAI and SWA. I think I might have just a *wee* little bit of a right to post my opinion of your virulent stream of elitist bullsh*t, since it directly concerns me.

But yes, I'm concentrating there, too. Thanks for caring.

 

[PCL_128]

You are absolutly right. KARMA IS A b!TCH. except you are on the wrong end of that statement. southwest became what it is today in aprt due to their corporate culture if you remember anything then you will recall both herb and SW saying they will never merge another company again because of too many culture issues. you want to think i am self righteous go ahead and think that i could care less. Personally I don't think wee will buy anyone unless forced to do so by the industry in the mean why don;t you concentrate on your recall efforts at home.

What a d0uchebag. You can take your "reinterview" and shove it. I'd rather go back to work at the regionals than have to share a cockpit with a self-righteous jerk like yourself. I hope your attitude isn't representative of the entire SWA pilot group.

 

[Lear70]

You know it's not...

Two of my best friends are pilots there. GREAT guys, had a great time at the interview a few years ago, so I know this guy isn't representative of the entire group.

Somebody p*ssed in his wheaties over something, just glad it will likely not come to pass that we have to fly together...

 

[Benjamin Dover]

There is no way FL and WN will ever merge.

This is actually an accurate statement that you made. It would be a buyout.

Claim all you want about ATL Hartsfield-Jackson-Franklin-Vick Int'l Airport scaring off WN, but they would love to get the gates in Atlanta, and pax would jump for joy. I live here and you would not belive how many people drive to BHM to fly SWA.

PHL is worse than ATL, especially now after new rwy and taxiways in ATL, you really think WN head-shed is afraid of ATL? Word is that LGA or JFK is on the wish list too.

 

[puddlejumper101]

correct me if i am wrong but Morris guys did not have to re-interview...they were, however placed on probation...just in case. I did hear a few did not make it past that probationary year. Either way...I think it's a long shot...but know plenty of Airtran guys and except for a few (very few...actually just a couple), those guys would fit very nicely here. If SWA ever did this buyout thing again, believe me they would cover their bases...and do everything possible to intergrate their culture on Airtran instead of abolishing employees. (I will say the couple I mentioned earlier hopefully don't end up here...but there are bad apples everywhere...just would hate to see these individuals here. They were a cancer at my previous job...are (unfortunately) a cancer at airtran...and will be a cancer to SWA if they end up here.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

correct me if i am wrong but Morris guys did not have to re-interview...they were, however placed on probation...just in case. I did hear a few did not make it past that probationary year. Either way...I think it's a long shot...but know plenty of Airtran guys and except for a few (very few...actually just a couple), those guys would fit very nicely here. If SWA ever did this buyout thing again, believe me they would cover their bases...and do everything possible to intergrate their culture on Airtran instead of abolishing employees. (I will say the couple I mentioned earlier hopefully don't end up here...but there are bad apples everywhere...just would hate to see these individuals here. They were a cancer at my previous job...are (unfortunately) a cancer at airtran...and will be a cancer to SWA if they end up here.

So, I guess there aren't any "bad apples" at SWA?

 

[NuGuy]

You are absolutly right. KARMA IS A b!TCH. except you are on the wrong end of that statement. southwest became what it is today in aprt due to their corporate culture if you remember anything then you will recall both herb and SW saying they will never merge another company again because of too many culture issues. you want to think i am self righteous go ahead and think that i could care less. Personally I don't think wee will buy anyone unless forced to do so by the industry in the mean why don;t you concentrate on your recall efforts at home.

Ohhh, man, you shouldn't tempt the aviation gods like that with such statements. They are capricious and cruel deities, and you will anger them.

The JetBlue guys tried that and man, they got wacked, so I'd eat a little more humble pie if I were you.

Nu

 

[klr1395]

correct me if i am wrong but Morris guys did not have to re-interview...they were, however placed on probation...just in case. I did hear a few did not make it past that probationary year. Either way...I think it's a long shot...but know plenty of Airtran guys and except for a few (very few...actually just a couple), those guys would fit very nicely here. If SWA ever did this buyout thing again, believe me they would cover their bases...and do everything possible to intergrate their culture on Airtran instead of abolishing employees. (I will say the couple I mentioned earlier hopefully don't end up here...but there are bad apples everywhere...just would hate to see these individuals here. They were a cancer at my previous job...are (unfortunately) a cancer at airtran...and will be a cancer to SWA if they end up here.

You are right, the Morris guys DID NOT re-interview, they were placed on probation. They were pay protected and stapled as well.

 

[ngsp]

sign me up today. swa contract, growth, bennies. even with a staple, i would make more than airtran in the long run.

 

[bravodude]

Ohhh, man, you shouldn't tempt the aviation gods like that with such statements. They are capricious and cruel deities, and you will anger them.

The JetBlue guys tried that and man, they got wacked, so I'd eat a little more humble pie if I were you.

Nu

What in the world are you people talking about. All i said was that we should reinterview and then merge the list of those that get hired. all one has to do is look at the fiasco going on at usair/america west to realize that just trying to integrate two pilot groups does not work. SWA was built on corporate/employee cultutre and all I am saying is I would wan't to protect that. If this sounds like I need to eat mure "humble pie" than great were do i get some! This has nothing to do with beeing better than anyone or feeling above everyone else.