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General Lee

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Exec: Delta Wants to Retain Its Pilots
Tuesday December 6, 7:18 pm ET
By Aleksandrs Rozens, AP Business Writer Delta Air Lines Executive Says Carrier Wants to Retain Its Pilots, Plans to Have Deal in Future


NEW YORK (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. wants to retain its pilots and it plans to have a collective bargaining agreement in the future with its pilots, an executive with the bankrupt carrier said Tuesday.

"I am assuming we're still here because we still don't have an agreement," Judge Prudence Carter Beatty said at the start of the eighth day of hearings on Delta's request to do away with the pilot's current collective bargaining agreement.
Beatty has repeatedly pleaded with both sides to come to a middle ground.
Delta's chief labor relations executive Geraldine Carolan testified that "Delta is a company right now at grave financial risk. We have already reduced labor costs of all employee groups. We are asking pilots to pay their fair share."
Beatty cautioned Delta that the term "fair" irks the pilots because they agreed to salary cuts in 2004. "They (the pilots) made a big contribution last year. They don't believe the proposal is fair because of what they already gave."
Asked by an attorney representing Delta if she has heard that the airline would like to "be rid of" its pilots, Carolan said: "I have not."
Asked if she believes the airline's collective bargaining agreement will be in place for "many years to come," Carolan said "yes."
Delta has maintained it needs $325 million of wage reductions from its pilots as part of $3 billion in cost cuts in order to emerge from bankruptcy.
Carolan also testified about a recent contract with its dispatchers that allowed the airline to cut by 10 percent the pay of its top earners and by 9 percent the pay for all others. Top earners make roughly $70,000 a year, compared with $35,000 to $40,000 a year.

She said the airline has capped paid vacation to four weeks, down from six weeks, has eliminated one paid holiday and has cut pay for furloughed employees.
Bankruptcy law provides that on the 30th day after the debtor asks a court to end an agreement with its unionized employees is usually allowed to implement its requested changes if the court has not yet ruled.
Beatty has not indicated how this Dec. 16 deadline will impact Delta's case.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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This quote is really NOT the case when looking at the transcripts. Where do these reproters get their stories?

"Bankruptcy law provides that on the 30th day after the debtor asks a court to end an agreement with its unionized employees is usually allowed to implement its requested changes if the court has not yet ruled.
Beatty has not indicated how this Dec. 16 deadline will impact Delta's case."


Here are the transcripts:


Judge makes several comments regarding, "don't put too much stock in
the time lines associated with 1113. This is a complicated case."

DL Attorney - your honor, according to the statute, on December 16,
we will be free to act on our motion, lacking a ruling from you".

Judge - you want to bet?

DL Attorney - that what the statute says, your honor.

Judge - On Dec 15, if we're not through, I'll arrange with the
parties for an extension of the deadline.

DL Attorney - we will not be agreeable to that.

Judge - I don't think you'll like what happens if you're not.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Hmm

I wonder if that means ALL of us..or just some of us..or just yall on the payroll right now.
Rumors abound - the latest two I heard at drill this past weekend were furlough back to 1999. Then I heard, that since we reneg the leases and are keeping the planes - furlough only a total of 200-300 - meaning the 200-300 lowest on furlough now stay furloughed.
Right.
1999 sounds more like it to me.....2000 party over oops out of time..so tonight..Deltas gonna furlough back to 99.
 
General Lee said:
AP
She said the airline has capped paid vacation to four weeks, down from six weeks, has eliminated one paid holiday and has cut pay for furloughed employees.
How does one cut the pay of a furloughed employee? Make them pay you for the privilege of having worked for them at one point?:confused:
 
imadumbpilot said:
How does one cut the pay of a furloughed employee? Make them pay you for the privilege of having worked for them at one point?:confused:

Cut out going pay for a newly furloughed pilot. Depending on how many years you have with the company, you will get 3 or 4 months pay as they kick you out the door. They want to reduce it to 2 months pay I believe. Nice.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
dtfl said:
I wonder if that means ALL of us..or just some of us..or just yall on the payroll right now.
Rumors abound - the latest two I heard at drill this past weekend were furlough back to 1999. Then I heard, that since we reneg the leases and are keeping the planes - furlough only a total of 200-300 - meaning the 200-300 lowest on furlough now stay furloughed.
Right.
1999 sounds more like it to me.....2000 party over oops out of time..so tonight..Deltas gonna furlough back to 99.


If we give in on scope, yes, we probably would eventually furlough more. The lease negotiations have gone really well I have heard, and we are even keeping some of the 737-200s a little longer because the lease rates fell all the way to around $15,000 a month. Most of the MD88s fell from over $200,000 a month to around $80,000. I believe we aren't keeping 4 MD88s, though. Not bad. Some of the most dramatic drops in leases were on the 767-300ERs---they came down by over $250,000 a month supposedly. We'll see. I would think we would need most everyone since the PRPs will leave by Dec 31st it looks like, and the busy Spring and Summer seasons are coming up. This all of course is contingent on getting a deal and not walking. I want everyone including TBKANE back ASAP.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
If we give in on scope, yes, we probably would eventually furlough more. The lease negotiations have gone really well I have heard, and we are even keeping some of the 737-200s a little longer because the lease rates fell all the way to around $15,000 a month. Most of the MD88s fell from over $200,000 a month to around $80,000. I believe we aren't keeping 4 MD88s, though. Not bad. Some of the most dramatic drops in leases were on the 767-300ERs---they came down by over $250,000 a month supposedly. We'll see. I would think we would need most everyone since the PRPs will leave by Dec 31st it looks like, and the busy Spring and Summer seasons are coming up. This all of course is contingent on getting a deal and not walking. I want everyone including TBKANE back ASAP.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I hope what you say is true regarding the 300ER but don't bank on it. The 300ER is the most difficult aircraft to find in todays market. Alomst zero availability. Take a look at WWW.speednews.com for this aircraft. I don't think you will find one aircraft for sale or lease amongst the hundreds of aircraft that are avialble. Domestic 300s, yes. 300ER's, no. So that begs the question why a lessor would not just take airplane and put it to work somewhere else.
 
Spooky 1 said:
I hope what you say is true regarding the 300ER but don't bank on it. The 300ER is the most difficult aircraft to find in todays market. Alomst zero availability. Take a look at WWW.speednews.com for this aircraft. I don't think you will find one aircraft for sale or lease amongst the hundreds of aircraft that are avialble. Domestic 300s, yes. 300ER's, no. So that begs the question why a lessor would not just take airplane and put it to work somewhere else.

Maybe that was a 767-300DOM. I'll have to look into it. Regardless, if it is true, then we have saved a bunch of money, without switching to GEICO.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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