logging time

[midlifeflyer]

You are saying that if you are actcing as the Pilot in command of an aircraft, but not flying it, then you can not log PIC?

Right.

 

[minitour]

Followup Question:
Can you both log ASEL and TT?

 

[labbats]

What does your instructor have to say? Maybe it'd be wiser to ask him than post here.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Followup Question:

Can you both log ASEL and TT?

My general take is , no. Assuming we're talking about total "flight" time, unless you have time logable in either the PIC or SIC (which need a regulation that requires more than one pilot on the flight) column, it doesn't belong in any other flight time category either.

One possibility I've though about but never saw any verification for, so I'd avoid it. Assuming that pilot A, who is doing the flying) is category and class rated but not current or qualified to act as PIC on the flight and pilot B (who is acting as PIC) is qualified, then A, even though he gets to log the time, is really nothing more than a passenger. Looking at the definitions of "flight time" in FAR 1.1 and "pilot time" in FAR 61.1, I guess the argument could be made that in this case, B is the required crewmember on the flight and may log flight time and ASEL time. But I've never heard of it being done and I wonder whether a log entry that reflects only ASEL and Total Flight Time wouldn't be questioned.

 

[nosehair]

Another Way

Everyone talks about the "Total Time" figure as if it is referenced by FAR's. 61.51(a)(1) starts by saying "to meet the requirements for a certificate or rating." then it goes on to define the conditions for logging those certain kinds of required time. There is no prohibition against logging other kinds of time. right seat time. back seat time. other kinds of flight experience, ie. fire patrol observer, in-flight photo, bla-bla-bla. If I want to keep a "log", a journal if you will of all of my flight experience, I can do that, and so can you. If I want to log it in the same logbook as I also log those "required kinds of experience", then I have to keep these seperate. "Total Pilot Time", and Total Time" Total Air Time. Hey, as long as you keep it clearly seperated, and you don't try to use non-pilot time when you are talking to an employer, except that in some cases, this time might be valuable - as in an operation that uses a co-pilot when one is not required by regulation - this could be a person with NO PILOT TIME, but has the kind of experience the employer is looking for, and anyway, it documents your sincere interest in aviation.

 

[midlifeflyer]

There is no prohibition against logging other kinds of time. right seat time. back seat time. other kinds of flight experience, ie. fire patrol observer, in-flight photo, bla-bla-bla.

You're absolutely right, nosehair. But I suspect that the question itself was referring to legitimately logging time toward a certificate, rating or currency rather than to keeping a scrapbook.

 

[nosehair]

"Scrapbook"

And you are probably right; most people only log the kind of time referred to in FAA regs and what the Almighty Airlines want to see, however, my hope is that, maybe, just maybe, my post may turn on a small light to someone out there, that there is more to this business than "just business".

 

[blueshoe707]

Don't think I saw this version... You, the flying pilot logs PIC due to the fact that you were flying... Your CFI friend can log the time if acted as a safety pilot during your trip. However, if you do this, make sure you make the appropriate entries in both of your log books to represent the fact that he was acting as your safety pilot...