Logging SIC

[185 flier]

Also if your employer trains you and you have a checkride in that seat and the company uses two pilots in order to take advantage of the abilitie to fly that crew 10 flight hours in a day then you can log all time spent in the seat not just when you manipulate the controls as well as run the radios etc.

 

[Fly High]

If the opspecs state that the company can use a properly trained SIC and if they have an FAA approved training program for an SIC you can act as SIC regardless of wheather the autopilot is working or not. Chat witht the Feds at the FSDO that oversees the 135 operator that you are referring to so you can see their opinion. Per our opspecs, we have SICs in Navajos and they log the time since they are properly training and our program is set up accordingly. They have to go by the same 14 and 8/10 requirements that the PICs have to go by.

 

[mike1mc]

If the opspecs state that the company can use a properly trained SIC and if they have an FAA approved training program for an SIC you can act as SIC regardless of wheather the autopilot is working or not. Chat witht the Feds at the FSDO that oversees the 135 operator that you are referring to so you can see their opinion. Per our opspecs, we have SICs in Navajos and they log the time since they are properly training and our program is set up accordingly. They have to go by the same 14 and 8/10 requirements that the PICs have to go by.

Correct, but a little backwards. The FARs REQUIRE an SIC for 135 IFR Pax ops. The Op Spec allows you to fly Single Pilot with an approved autopilot.

 

[Fly High]

Correct, but a little backwards. The FARs REQUIRE an SIC for 135 IFR Pax ops. The Op Spec allows you to fly Single Pilot with an approved autopilot.

Correct, BUT! Can you fly PAX 135 without an autopilot that is operating and no SIC? NO, BUT you can fly PAX 135 with an SIC (provided the SIC has gone through the required FAA training and the opspecs state that SIC is allowed) regardless of weather or not that autopilot is working So, with that being said, I am NOT backwards. You are just saying the same thing different.

 

[pgcfii2002]

You can log PIC on the Part 91, non revenue legs assuming you are qualified (ME), current and such.

 

[mike1mc]

and the opspecs state that SIC is allowed)

Not arguing, we are saying the exact same thing, just wanted to clarify one thing. The FAR (135.101 and 135.105c) says you need to have the SIC, the Op Spec (A015) allows you to deviate from the FAR. The deviation should also be listed in Op Spec paragraph A005.

§ 135.101 Second in command required under IFR.
Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.

§ 135.105 Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if—

From the A015 Op Spec:

"The certificate holder is authorized to use the aircraft and its autopilot system listed below, in IFR operations, in lieu of a required second-in-command provided the following provisions are met...."​