Logging SIC time in Baron?

[Mitsipilot]

I have seen a number of companies who offer SIC opportunities in the right seat of a piston twin. I know this question has been asked a few times before, but I am still unclear on how this works. How can one legally log this time? If it is legal, what requirements must be met by the operator in order to do this?

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

In order to log SIC time, there are a few requirements.

The aircraft needs to be type certificated for a two pilot crew,
or...
The operation certification under which the aircraft is being used requires a two pilot crew.

The pilot who logs SIC must meet the requirements of Part 61 in addition to the Regulations of the part under which the operation is conducted.

Good luck...

 

[Mitsipilot]

Thanks for the reply. So do the operators such as Airnet that operate single pilot airplanes have this authority written into the operating certificate? And if they do require SIC to fly their Barons, how can they also operate them single pilot? Thanks again. I am just curious.

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

I'm not certain exactly how Airnet does it. I was told by someone who had worked there that the SIC time in their Barons was only good for upgrade to the left seat in that aircraft and then just for Airnet. Whether or not this is the case, I don't know. Perhaps someone who has time there can help us find out.

Good luck

 

[rptrain]

check this out for an explanation (at least their version of it).

http://www.airapps.com/articles/01_feb/airnet.html

they seem to have consulted with the Chief Counsel's Office on their program. an important distinction is that the SICs go through an approved 135 SIC tng progam and checkride. then they are assigned to flight duty by the operator (Airnet).

in any case, their method is far preferable to lots of 135 outfits that just let untrained and unchecked pilots "ride along" and log the time.

 

[Brother Francis]

The answer will be in FAR 135 and the company Opspecs, This may be dated, but as I remember:

The above posters are correct:

A Baron is type certificated for single pilot, so unless the Opspecs specify two pilots a SIC is not a required crewmember.

Additionally, however, in the absence of operational requirements, the 135 requirements for single pilot IFR may hold the key. Unless an approved autopilot is installed and operable, a SIC is required for IFR flight under 135. So, if there is no autopilot, a SIC is a required crewmember.

As correctly stated above, 135 also specifies the training and testing requirements for SIC's.

Unless all these stipulations are met, while you will gain valuable experience and maybe a few contacts and dollars in the right seat, for logging purposes you will have to create a column in your logbook entitled "SLB" (self loading ballast.)

Your mileage may vary. This is only a starting point for your research.

 

[stingray]

i used to fly for a sceduled 135 in 402's, If i remember it right, a pic needs 100hrs in type in order to fly alone in imc until that happens you need an sic for imc according to the regs. or something like that.