Logging SIC King Airs 200s

[SBBum]

How can you log sic in king airs?
Situation 1: Co. was 91 but required 2 pilots per insurance. Can you log sic? Can you log pic if current multi rated and sole manip but your not the signer for the aircraft?

Situation 2: The CO. went 135 and gave 135 school with 135 rides for SIC's. What and how do you log then? You are still not the signer for the AC.

I have heard multiple answers from people like can be logged as total time but nothing else, if true what category does it fit in?

Can be logged if sole manip.

That you have to be the signer of the AC to log PIC.

That no person can log SIC if AC does not require 2 pilots.

There is probably not one right answer. It depends on the CO. you are applying for. I know if your applying for a King Air PIC they would like to see some right seat time logged. ANY HELP?

 

[ultrarunner]

In a 91 operation you can't log SIC time in an aircraft not requiring an SIC. The FAA doesn't really care what limitations an underwriter puts on the operation.

In a 135 operation if the SIC has an 'equipment check' (135.293) and has also completed the 'certificate holders' training program, then that person may log the SIC time.

Oh, and no one "signs" for the airplane. In most 135 operations, the PIC and SIC are simply "designated" for each trip.

This has been beat up here pretty good in the past. Hit the SEARCH button and check out the old threads.

 

[AC560]

That you have to be the signer of the AC to log PIC.

You never need to be the signer in order to log PIC only the sole manipulator as far as the FAA is concerned. As far as anyone who is going to employ you is concerned they only want time logged that the person served as PIC under part 1.

 

[ekuflyer]

Part 1.1 General definitions

Pilot in command means the person who:
(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

 

[blzr]

You never need to be the signer in order to log PIC only the sole manipulator as far as the FAA is concerned. As far as anyone who is going to employ you is concerned they only want time logged that the person served as PIC under part 1.

Ok, here's one. Both Pilots are typed on a jet that requires 2 pilots. They alternate legs in left seat, Who can log PIC?

 

[ekuflyer]

Ok, here's one. Both Pilots are typed on a jet that requires 2 pilots. They alternate legs in left seat, Who can log PIC?

The PF. The PNF would log SIC.

 

[Diesel]

Not true, some airlines and companies require a differentiation for pic and sic as to who signs for the plane.

For example NJA we regularly swap seats but the Capt is allways listed on the release as the signer of the plane. Even when both captains are flying together. In order to log it as pic they have to change the release.

 

[TxPilot0878]

What???

OK...TECHNICALLY SPEAKING....I once farted on the set of "The Blue Lagoon!!!"
As specified we were discussing the FAA not particular companies

Not true, some airlines and companies require a differentiation for pic and sic as to who signs for the plane.

great point but all airlines are specific in how they log time...and in addition just to get us back on track....what airline are you flying for that operates KingAirs???

TEX

 

[AC560]

Ok, here's one. Both Pilots are typed on a jet that requires 2 pilots. They alternate legs in left seat, Who can log PIC?

Feel free to join this exciting discussion.

 

[blzr]

Feel free to join this exciting discussion.

Yeah.... um, didn't really help. Afterall, a required crew member isn't technically a safty pilot.