Logging of IRO Time

[thor2j]

Let's see how many answers we can get. What is the general consensus of of logging flight time as an IRO. Assume that you are PIC typed in the airplane and are currently an F/O. SIC???PIC???(nice try) 50/50???? None of the above??? Just trying to figure it out.

 

[75M]

How 'bout a column that says IRO?

 

[The Regulator]

I don't log IRO time in my official logbook at all.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

Log it SIC because you didn't sign the log book and your name is not on the release as PIC. You can make a special IRO/Relief Captain column if you'd like.

 

[RedDogC130]

It has to be something. If you are in a seat you are SIC. That also begs the definition of PIC and SIC, PART 1 PIC or 91 PIC....blah blah blah. If you are not a Captain with the company don't log PIC. It is all about interpretation. If you are using the time to find another job, log it as SIC. Your times will add up then. No company will question it saying sorry, but that does not count. Don't sweat it.

 

[IAHERJ]

If you are working at a company where you have the oppertunity to fly as an IRO, who cares! You can log it anway you want because you probably won't be having to answer any questions about it anyway. I currently don't even keep a logbook. If this gig at CAL doesn't work out then I'll probably go fly corporate for a few operations I know and none of them will want to see my logbook or even ask about my IRO time. To me, the IRO trips are just short vacations in Europe. I'm doing several in October and the last thing on my mind is how I will log them. I won't even log them period and I'm typed like every other pilot on every aircraft at CAL; as a pic.

IAHERJ

 

[propjob27]

Most guys, myself included (well, back when I kept a log book anyway), log all IRO, IO, IRP (whatever your company calls it) time as SIC.

If it was a 10 hour block day and I was the IRO, IO, IRP, for that day, I logged all 10 as SIC.

You can argue that I shouldn't have been logging SIC time while I was in the back sleeping and eating meals. You can also argue that the captain and FO should deduct the time while they were in the back sleeping and watching movies. Does anyone bother to do this, or even care? No.

As the one poster above said, the big key here is do NOT log any time as PIC if you are not a captain with your company. That will get you thrown right out of any interview you ever plan on attending.

I flew for one particular company that used FOs and Captains to fly as IO's. I never did ask one the Captains who was flying as the IO if he logged the whole flight as PIC, or SIC, or half and half, or what.

You just have to ask yourself one question. WHY am I keeping a logbook?

If the answer is because you are trying to get an interview somewhere else, then play it safe and log all IO time as SIC, even if you happen to be a Captain at the company.

If you actually want to know, for some ungodly reason, how many trips you flew as the IO, then create a separate column.

If you want to show some other dorks that you actually "Sat in the left seat of a 767-400 for 3 hours while the captain was in back sleeping" on such and such dates, then log it as PIC. Just don't plan on going to an interview with that.

 

[glasspilot1]

Eater!

When I was a 767 F/O for TWA in the middle 90's I logged my "Eater" time as SIC.

 

[thor2j]

I do fly for CAL but you never know in this world. I dont want to find myself 3+ years behind again for something to go wrong. I thought I was all set carrer whys once before. Thanks for the responses.

 

[VABB]

.....

 

[2LT]

Iro

Logging it all as SIC...

I've asked around about the same thing...seems to be the general consensus.

 

[GogglesPisano]

SIC. You can say Goggles said so.

 

[Sluggo_63]

SIC. You can say Goggles said so.

You can actually say the FARs say so:
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-
in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command
requirements of Sec. 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember
station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the
aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if
an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being
flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification
of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being
conducted.

 

[Fit59]

So if you are on a 3 man crew; Capt and 2 FO's, there will officially be a PIC and 2 SIC's? Is that the general consensus here?

I personally keep an IRO column in my logbook, and at my airline the senior FO of record is the legal SIC. I have plenty of SIC time so it doesn't really matter, as some of you have already stated!

And I agree, the best seat to eat at is the IRO station (or first class)!