Logging Dual as a CFI

[RichardRambone]

Hey guys. I have my CFI and I dont give much instruction but when I do, when I'm instructing a guy who already has his private and am checking him out for insurance purposes do I log it as PIC in his logbook and just As Flight Instructor in my logbook? How about for a student pilot? Any help would be great.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

I am not a CFI but I think you get dual given and PIC.. He gets dual given unless it's in an airplane that isn't complex or hp.. then you have to give him a sign off before he can get PIC

 

[CFIse]

If you are giving dual you can also log PIC as long as you are acting as "an authorized instructor" - so you need an MEI to log PIC in a multi as an instructor for example. You also log "As CFI" or "Dual Given" or whatever your column says.

Your clients log PIC as long as they are the sole manipulator according to 61.51. They also log "dual" or "training time" as is the preferred name.

Who is ACTING as PIC has nothing to do with who is logging it, so for example HP and COMPLEX endorsements are irrelevant to logging PIC, but may be very relevant to who is ACTING as PIC - because somebody has to be!

 

[midlifeflyer]

Hey guys. I have my CFI and I don't give much instruction but when I do, when I'm instructing a guy who already has his private and am checking him out for insurance purposes do I log it as PIC in his logbook and just As Flight Instructor in my logbook? How about for a student pilot? Any help would be great.

The asnwer to all your questions is in one place: FAR 61.51

The pilot:

1. When a CFI is giving instruction in an aircraft, the pilot who is receiving the instruction is entitled to log it as training received. Doesn't matter if the pilot is a student pilot or an ATP.

2. A pilot who is rated in category and class (and type if required) may log PIC whenever he is the sole manipulator of the controls. Doesn't matter whether he is a sport pilot or an ATP.

3. A student pilot only gets to log PIC when solo.

The CFI

1. When a CFI is giving instruction in an aircraft, the CFI is entitled to call it training given.

2. CFI who is giving instruction in an aircraft, may log the time as PIC.

 

[RichardRambone]

So when Im giving training to these guys we both can log PIC? Say we log 1.2 hours am I technically supposed to split that up into when Im actually giving the instruction, i.e. say I was instructing 0.6 out of the 1.2 then I log 0.6 PIC. Or can I just log 1.2 PIC in both our logbooks?

 

[midlifeflyer]

Yes, when you are giving instruction to someone entitled to log the =entire= flight as PIC under the sole manipulator rule, you may also log the =entire= flight as PIC under the CFI giving instruction rule. No splitting required.

Yes, technically, the only time you are supposed to log PIC based solely on being a CFI giving instruction is when you, well, are being a CFI giving instruction, not when just going along for a ride. with a friend.

Mixed flights do happen. For example, you are going with a friend to a fly-in breakfast. The flight is 1.2. Along the way, you give him 0.6 hours of instruction for some reason. You could log the 0.6 as PIC.

I don't know if that's the kind of scenario you are talking about when you talk about splitting the time.

 

[RichardRambone]

I think you all answered my question. I will start logging people both PIC and Dual given/recieved when I do aircraft checkouts, demo flights etc. I see that if you wanted to be correct you both log PIC and technically I only log PIC when Im giving instruction. Thanks a bunch.