Logbook time

[Snakum]

I decided last week that even though I'm not rated for the B200 (no Comm ME), I am going to start logging all the time I am in the aircraft for any reason anyway.

Go get the cooler to refill the beer and ice? .2 Turbine Multi

Opening the little side windows to get a breeze going on the ramp? .3 hours (it takes a while to get thru the narrow isle and into the cockpit cuz I'm getting fat)

Every single minute my big-azz is so much as touching any part of that airplane ... Multi Turbine PIC baby!

And then when I get home after a trip and am practicing something new I learned on the aircraft (like emergency descents, starts, etc.) in my Fly2K B200 simulator I am going to log that as PIC too because unlike MS Flight Sim, Fly2K duplicates all the King Air systems and I can actually run thru the checklists I use in the real aircraft. Turbine Multi PIC Baby! Before I know it, I'll be ready for the ATP and that corporate turbo prop interview in CLE!

And the first one of you $h!t-house lawyers dares make on single peep about it, or quotes one single stoopid regulation, or narcs me out to the boss ... well ... I'm going to come to your house and kick your dog! I swear to God I will. I'll do it, too! I'm #$@%ing crazy, man!

Crazy Minh

 

[100LL... Again!]

Sadly, I know of a few folks who actually took that approach to filling out their logbooks. And were willing to tell others that they did.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I think the feds need to rewrite 61.51 to clarify this issue.

Personally, I woud like to see this time become loggable. It is absurd that an MEL'd autopilot makes the ifference between logging and not logging.

I realize that the current reg has it's good and bad points, but the reg seems to be very inconsistent in what is permitted.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Go to www.propilot.com

I'll second the nomination. I have a logging FAQ on my web site, but it's pretty much limited to Part 91 issues. Never expanded it into the 135 SIC issues. Doc, on the other hand, seems to have been exposed to the rules on just about any issue you can think of. It where I go when I have a reg question that I can't put into context.

 

[AZ Typed]

Want to log SIC time in any aircraft under 135? Take a 135 checkride then MEL the autopilot. No autopilot, then two pilots are required for IFR.
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So in a 2-pilot certified aircraft flying 135 charter with the autopilot on (Lear, Gulfstream, Challenger): the FO cannot log SIC?

 

[ackattacker]

So in a 2-pilot certified aircraft flying 135 charter with the autopilot on (Lear, Gulfstream, Challenger): the FO cannot log SIC?

This doesn't really deserve a response. Or are you being sarcastic?

 

[avbug]

Weather the autopilot is working or not isn't relevant, as Part 135 requires the SIC for instrument operations...the fact that the company may be authorized single pilot with autopilot in lieu of an SIC is irrelevant...if the company has instituted a training program for the SIC and one is qualified under that program, the company also has the option of using the SIC. The autopilot does not need to be nonfunctional in order to log the time.

 

[ackattacker]

Weather the autopilot is working or not isn't relevant, as Part 135 requires the SIC for instrument operations...the fact that the company may be authorized single pilot with autopilot in lieu of an SIC is irrelevant...if the company has instituted a training program for the SIC and one is qualified under that program, the company also has the option of using the SIC. The autopilot does not need to be nonfunctional in order to log the time.

You're right, and I knew better. Sigh. Still, the autopilot inop is a convenient way to NEED an SIC. Makes it look more legit, ya know?

 

[nosehair]

You're right, and I knew better. Sigh. Still, the autopilot inop is a convenient way to NEED an SIC. Makes it look more legit, ya know?

That's all our problem - trying to rationalize or make some sense of the 61.51 regs. They don't even pretend to make logical sense. They are black-and-white "one-size-fits-all" typical goverment regulation.

 

[xdashdriver]

Weather the autopilot is working or not isn't relevant, as Part 135 requires the SIC for instrument operations...the fact that the company may be authorized single pilot with autopilot in lieu of an SIC is irrelevant...if the company has instituted a training program for the SIC and one is qualified under that program, the company also has the option of using the SIC. The autopilot does not need to be nonfunctional in order to log the time.

Thank you...that needed to be said.