Live where you want?

[ePilot22]

Ok, I didn't want to...

but I here is goes.

This is an investment as much as anything is.

An investment requires a return greater than what you put in, an EXPENSE does not. I don't know what you are getting for 100k, but OUCH ! That's a lot of money for flight training and an education!

Flying is difficult due to the class b and high traffic volumes from DIA and Centennial but there are alot of CFI positions open and alot of need for pilots. The cost of living is increasing but its so much better than california or some place like that.

There is high traffic volume at FNL, 2V2, GXY and BJC as well. I see that you're not a CFI working in Denver, so please try and tell me what it is like... .

Here's the current METAR and TAF for BJC:

KBJC 111757Z 26030G40KT 50SM SCT100 OVC200 14/M16 A2980


KBJC 111820Z 111818 26025G35KT P6SM SCT080 SCT130 BKN200 WS003/27045KT
FM0200 23015KT P6SM SCT140 BKN200
FM1000 31015G25KT P6SM SCT120 BKN200
FM1300 34018G30KT P6SM SCT120 BKN200
FM1600 32015G25KT P6SM SCT120 SCT250

It has been like this for the last week, it kinda makes instructing a little difficult...



eP.

 

[Ender]

but I here is goes.



An investment requires a return greater than what you put in, an EXPENSE does not. I don't know what you are getting for 100k, but OUCH ! That's a lot of money for flight training and an education!



There is high traffic volume at FNL, 2V2, GXY and BJC as well. I see that you're not a CFI working in Denver, so please try and tell me what it is like... .

Here's the current METAR and TAF for BJC:

KBJC 111757Z 26030G40KT 50SM SCT100 OVC200 14/M16 A2980


KBJC 111820Z 111818 26025G35KT P6SM SCT080 SCT130 BKN200 WS003/27045KT
FM0200 23015KT P6SM SCT140 BKN200
FM1000 31015G25KT P6SM SCT120 BKN200
FM1300 34018G30KT P6SM SCT120 BKN200
FM1600 32015G25KT P6SM SCT120 SCT250

It has been like this for the last week, it kinda makes instructing a little difficult...



eP.

regardless i still know what the weather is like...and for the past three weeks prior to this one the weather has been in the vast majority to be very pleseant...you cant make an argument about one day...look at the trends. Fly in minnesota...or some place north...then talk to me about the bad weather in Denver. Denver has some of the mildest winters ive seen for a place untropical and not a desert. it has mild winters and mild summers...its ideal. Ill give you that winds have been unusally high...but fly in the mornings before the winds pick up. Im not pretending to know how difficult it is for you to instruct...but i do know that regardless, if you work hard enough at something you can make it work. I know many cfi's in the denver area that make it work, they live just fine...so please try to tell me how some people are able to make due...but you arent? Perhaps its a lifestyle choice......i dont know you or how you live...but i do know people who CFI in denver and make it work...so the question is...what sacrafices do you have to make in order to make it work.

 

[ePilot22]

Ummm...

Ender,

Really quickly, are we talking about Denver, COLORADO? There is also a Denver, Texas.

Ill give you that winds have been unusally high...

Althought it's NOT unusual, at least not in Denver, COLORADO.

Im not pretending to know how difficult it is for you to instruct...

It's not difficult for me to instruct, it's challenging but very enjoyable!

I know many cfi's in the denver area that make it work, they live just fine...so please try to tell me how some people are able to make due...but you arent?

Oh, I'm making due just fine, never said I wasn't. I did say it was a crowded market for CFIs in Denver...that's COLORADO. But what would I know huh?

Leave the issue alone, until you've been there.


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[Ender]

Ender,

Really quickly, are we talking about Denver, COLORADO? There is also a Denver, Texas.



Althought it's NOT unusual, at least not in Denver, COLORADO.



It's not difficult for me to instruct, it's challenging but very enjoyable!



Oh, I'm making due just fine, never said I wasn't. I did say it was a crowded market for CFIs in Denver...that's COLORADO. But what would I know huh?

Leave the issue alone, until you been there.


eP.

Yes of course we are talking about denver colorado...and no...i will not leave the issue alone. I have lived in denver my entire life and winds are not that big of a deal...go out to the plains...where there is nothing and then tell me about high winds...seriously...if you are complaining about the weather in Denver...then you havent flown elsewhere. Go to minnisota...go to idaho...go to montana...ask the CFI's up there how well they are dealing with the weather...you are spoiled in Colorado as far as weather goes.

 

[ePilot22]

Ok, whatever then...

I have lived in denver my entire life

So have I, all 26 years. Again you're not telling me anything I don't know.

seriously...if you are complaining about the weather in Denver...then you havent flown elsewhere.

I'm not complaining about anything, except you. Please...you have 60hrs, tell me about flying in weather.

Go to minnisota...go to idaho...go to montana...ask the CFI's up there how well they are dealing with the weather...you are spoiled in Colorado as far as weather goes.

Go annoy your mom or something. You have no idea what you're even taking about.


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[Dangerkitty]

This is GREAT!!!! Watching a wet behind the ears clueless private pilot trying to tell an instructor what is what.

Have fun paying off that 110k student loan making 20k a year junior.

 

[Ender]

So have I, all 26 years. Again you're not telling me anything I don't know.



I'm not complaining about anything, except you. Please...you have 60hrs, tell me about flying in weather.



Go annoy your mom or something. You have no idea what you're even taking about.


eP.

those 60 hours have shown me enough about flying in weather to discuss it with you.

 

[ePilot22]

I think it's getting dark in here...

This is GREAT!!!! Watching a wet behind the ears clueless private pilot trying to tell an instructor what is what.

Thanks DK!

What’s pathetic is I keep trying to help him understand. I don’t even think he’s actually reading what I post, but whatever.

It is funny.

those 60 hours have shown me enough about flying in weather to discuss it with you.

...ok... .



eP.

 

[Dangerkitty]

those 60 hours have shown me enough about flying in weather to discuss it with you.

That might be the statement that you will want to be put on your tombstone.

Comments such as that show you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

 

[Alex429595]

That might be the statement that you will want to be put on your tombstone.

Comments such as that show you have no clue as to what you are talking about.

Personally, I have nearly 200 hours, and I have an enormous amount of respect for mother nature. Weather will kill you just as fast as anything else in this business. Ive barely begun to explore the insides of clouds- its just a hostile envirornment, plain and simple.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Personally, I have nearly 200 hours, and I have an enormous amount of respect for mother nature. Weather will kill you just as fast as anything else in this business. Ive barely begun to explore the insides of clouds- its just a hostile envirornment, plain and simple.

Alex,

Thats a good attitude. I have almost 8000 hours and I am still learning when it comes to weather. Just when you think you have seen it all mother nature will snap you back to reality and remind you that you are always learning.

A pilot that thinks he/she knows it all when it comes to weather would be better served by throwing away his or her tickets and taking up golf.

 

[Alex429595]

Alex,

Thats a good attitude. I have almost 8000 hours and I am still learning when it comes to weather. Just when you think you have seen it all mother nature will snap you back to reality and remind you that you are always learning.

A pilot that thinks he/she knows it all when it comes to weather would be better served by throwing away his or her tickets and taking up golf.

I got my certificate at a part 61 school back home in the Northeast. I was trained in an envirornment where I was allowed to make my mistakes, scare myself, and learn my lessons about weather. Thats one of the things I take issue with here at UND- too many students simply call the flight restrictions line to see whether or not UND is "no fly" "dual only" or "no restrictions." People really need to get out, flying as PIC, and get some experience. Experience is the best teacher, and at 60 hours, 200 hours, and even 10,000 hours, there is no reason for anyone to think they have mastered weather. If you think you have mastered weather, it will surely show you who is boss.

 

[pilotyip]

There is a story two pilots live in Atlanta, both want to spend the rest of their lives in ATL. Both set their sights on DAL while CFIing. Pilot A takes 135 job in CCVG, Pilot B continues applying to DAL, a couple years later pilot A gets hired by ComAir, pilot B is still CFIing. 5 years later pilot A is hired by DAL, pilot B is still CFIing. What is the morale to this story "You have left your hometown for awhile to make it in this business".

 

[thatpilotguy]

I'm a Colorado native. I have been in Corporate Aviation for several years now. I started my career here in Denver before the company that I was flying for went belly up. I left Colorado for a couple of years and flew for a company out of state but kept the search going for the right opportunity back here in Colorado. I'm happy to say that I am back in Colorado and have a nice Corporate flying gig. It's not my dream job, but I'm still young and needing to gain experience. I would not refer to Colorado as a Corporate Aviation Mecca. In my opinion California, Florida, Texas...and many others have far more opportunities than Colorado. It's really all a matter of how hard you want it and how hard you are willing to work for it. And at some point, it might mean moving away and gaining that much needed experience just so that you can come back to the Mile High City. With that said...GO BRONCOS!

 

[Alex429595]

There is a story two pilots live in Atlanta, both want to spend the rest of their lives in ATL. Both set their sights on DAL while CFIing. Pilot A takes 135 job in CCVG, Pilot B continues applying to DAL, a couple years later pilot A gets hired by ComAir, pilot B is still CFIing. 5 years later pilot A is hired by DAL, pilot B is still CFIing. What is the morale to this story "You have left your hometown for awhile to make it in this business".

So if you live in Atlanta and want to fly for DAL, you have a pretty good shot, ATL being DALs hub and all. My roomate seems to be dead set on flying corporate aviation in Denver. No one is saying that is impossible, but it seems that if you unwilling to "cut the cord," and move to where the jobs are offered, you are going to have a much harder time in the industry. I will always remember what one of my early CFIs told me when I first started flying. I told him I loved my hometown, and didnt want to move away and fly somewhere else. He told me that if I was unwilling to travel around quite a bit, I was certainly in the wrong field. Most of the CFIs who taught me during primary training are gone. Some are flying cargo in the northeast, some are flying for airlines out of the big hub cities, and some have moved on to other parts of the world to pursue their dreams of flying. You cannot be resistant to change, and succeed in this industry.