Life at Skywest??

[ERJFO]

Low-ball bid? PFT is worse, and thats basically what your company did to get your US Air flying. I'd rather earn the flying than buy it. AWAC management and UAL kicked you guys out of ORD, not SkyWest.

How did Air Wisconsin pay US Air for training?

 

[rickair7777]

How did Air Wisconsin pay US Air for training?

They didn't pay for training, they bought a job.

 

[AdSo81]

They didn't pay for training, they bought a job.

Sometimes Im baffled by the lack of understanding people display on this board. The AWAC managment LIED to thier pilots...the pilots took concessions under false pretenses with out anyway of knowing what lay further on down the road. The big guys up in ATW (or NYC) decided to make an investment with that unethicly obtained money. Them purchasing a substantial stake in Airways has nothing to do with the Pilots at AWAC. Besides the fact that it was done with thier money. AWAC pilots didnt buy any jobs from anyone. Get the facts straight.

 

[fried chickens]

Sometimes Im baffled by the lack of understanding people display on this board. The AWAC managment LIED to thier pilots...the pilots took concessions under false pretenses with out anyway of knowing what lay further on down the road. The big guys up in ATW (or NYC) decided to make an investment with that unethicly obtained money. Them purchasing a substantial stake in Airways has nothing to do with the Pilots at AWAC. Besides the fact that it was done with thier money. AWAC pilots didnt buy any jobs from anyone. Get the facts straight.

What!!?? A pilot group that had no say in who they fly for. What's the world coming to. So all those bottom feeding airlines pilots that "stole flying" really didn't steal it. It was mgmt so we shouldn't bash mesa, chq, skywest, or any other pilots for "stealing flying" But we bash them for other stuff right, but just not "stealing"

 

[JRMANNED]

What!!?? A pilot group that had no say in who they fly for. What's the world coming to. So all those bottom feeding airlines pilots that "stole flying" really didn't steal it. It was mgmt so we shouldn't bash mesa, chq, skywest, or any other pilots for "stealing flying" But we bash them for other stuff right, but just not "stealing"

Air SH*TTULE/ Blowmejet / Repubsh*ttyaqua = they all suck arse! SkyWest and AWAC are just two of the decent places to work (among others). AWAC easily makes more money based on contract and other pay, SkyWest is hurting others by flying the 700 for the same low price (dipsh*s).

 

[rickair7777]

Sometimes Im baffled by the lack of understanding people display on this board. The AWAC managment LIED to thier pilots...the pilots took concessions under false pretenses with out anyway of knowing what lay further on down the road. The big guys up in ATW (or NYC) decided to make an investment with that unethicly obtained money. Them purchasing a substantial stake in Airways has nothing to do with the Pilots at AWAC. Besides the fact that it was done with thier money. AWAC pilots didnt buy any jobs from anyone. Get the facts straight.

I was referring to management, not pilots.

But now you have to apply the same standards to SKW...no responsibility on the pilots part for management actions and market forces.

 

[AdSo81]

What!!?? A pilot group that had no say in who they fly for. What's the world coming to. So all those bottom feeding airlines pilots that "stole flying" really didn't steal it. It was mgmt so we shouldn't bash mesa, chq, skywest, or any other pilots for "stealing flying" But we bash them for other stuff right, but just not "stealing"

So explain to me how the situation at AWAC is comparable to your examples.

 

[BoilerUP]

...no responsibility on the pilots part for management actions and market forces.

I have many, many friends at Skywest...but voting in a 1% pay raise for RJ pilots only while your company has made HUGE profits and flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat wages? There is some culpability on the pilot group there, my friend.

"Market forces." Meh. Same thing UAL said...

 

[rickair7777]

I have many, many friends at Skywest...but voting in a 1% pay raise for RJ pilots only while your company has made HUGE profits and flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat wages? There is some culpability on the pilot group there, my friend.

"Market forces." Meh. Same thing UAL said...

I was being sarcastic.

The raise was a joke, but if we voted no we would have gotten nothing at all. There is no "negotiation"...it's not like sapa would have gone back and demanded something different. We would have just remained status quo for another year or two until the company made another offer.

We pretty much have to take what they give us until it becomes so painful that the union gets voted in.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I was being sarcastic.

The raise was a joke, but if we voted no we would have gotten nothing at all. There is no "negotiation"...it's not like sapa would have gone back and demanded something different. We would have just remained status quo for another year or two until the company made another offer.

We pretty much have to take what they give us until it becomes so painful that the union gets voted in.

Yep, and in the process, you alienated about 600 pilots. Lameola!

 

[jayme]

I'm one of the 600. I voted yes. The Brasilia pilots were not going to get a raise no matter how the vote went down. At least this way there is some kind of wedge between the 50 and the 70/90.

Now we just need to vote in a union.

When we start negotiating our first contract and management says "Why should we pay you more to fly a bigger plane? It's more automated and less work." We can say "Why did you offer a BHO if bigger planes don't deserve more pay?"

Believe it or not, not everybody votes selfishly.

 

[rickair7777]

Yep, and in the process, you alienated about 600 pilots. Lameola!

I have a bid in for the bro, which should hit any week now.

 

[fried chickens]

So explain to me how the situation at AWAC is comparable to your examples.

Well, I thought you said you guys were lied to about what your money was being used for and that you guys didn't know you guys were going to "buy",
"steal", or "invest" in getting more flying. I bet AWACs pilots didn't vote to switch from flying for UAL to U.S. Airways anymore than Mesa, CHQ or Skywest pilots voting to fly for DAL, CAL, or Midwest. It was all MGMT. If I got to vote for who I fly for than I choose anything associated with Branson. Virgin Atlantic F/A's are the hottest I've ever seen.

ANYWAYS BACK TO MY BEERS

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Originally, AWAC pilots accepted concessions on their contract to hold the UAL flying. Just over one year later, UAL put our flying back out to bid. One of the thing we are told by UAL? We want you to fly 70 seaters for the same rate as SkyWest.truth). Our MEC said no, here is our payscale. UAL and management were not able to agree because of this point, among others. Then, the vast majority of flying that AWAC was performing was awarded to SKW (with the balance going to GJ and MESA).

With any luck, we might get back some of it (AWAC only carrier outside of UAX carriers asked to bid)

Peace.

Rekks

 

[SkyNation]

I remember having the cost per hour bids for the UEX flying quoted to me. If I remember correctly, the AWAC bid was around 2400-2500 per block hour. The SkyWest bid was around 1900, and the Mesa one around 1700-1800. The others were somewhere in that overall range. I'm not sure if AWAC was the most expensive, but they were near the top. Their CEO at the time was quoted as saying that they couldn't match the lower bids and remain in business.

These amounts represented a lot more than what it costs per hour to pay the crew, and 5 or 10 or even 20 bucks per hour more to the crew was not the deciding factor. It was the overall cost, just like it always is. United had experience with AWAC, SkyWest, and Mesa in the past, and in the end awarded the flying to the lowest cost bidder, with an unknown factor applied for reliability, past performance, etc.

 

[Morning Wood]

Originally, AWAC pilots accepted concessions on their contract to hold the UAL flying. Just over one year later, UAL put our flying back out to bid. One of the thing we are told by UAL? We want you to fly 70 seaters for the same rate as SkyWest.truth). Our MEC said no, here is our payscale. UAL and management were not able to agree because of this point, among others. Then, the vast majority of flying that AWAC was performing was awarded to SKW (with the balance going to GJ and MESA).

With any luck, we might get back some of it (AWAC only carrier outside of UAX carriers asked to bid)

Peace.

Rekks

The part you left out was the paycut the salaried people at SkyWest had to take to make this happen too.