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Typhoon1244

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I drove into DFW this morning, and before I reached the toll booth, a designated agent of the TSA peeked in the left rear window of my Cutlass Supreme. Satisfied I had no contraband in the car, he allowed me to pass.

I could have had a canister of anthrax under the rear seat and a two kiloton nuclear bomb in the trunk.

Do Americans really believe this nonsense makes us all safer?
 
Clockwork Orange alert search...

we would have given you a tiddy twister and cut the boobies out of your shirt. How would you like that one?
 
A Clockwork Orange and "repo Man" all in one post ...... nothing but the best in juvenile delinquent movies
 
A Squared said:
A Clockwork Orange and Repo Man all in one post...nothing but the best in juvenile delinquent movies.
If you say so...I haven't seen either one.
 
Re: warrants

merikeyegro said:
If you tell [the TSA] to shove it, they have to get a warrant before they look in your trunk.
Aren't these the same people who can summarily relieve you of your pilot license?

You're probably correct about warrants, but it sounds risky.

On the other hand, I'm not certain the TSA needs warrants, do they?
 
Yeah if you tell them no to searching the trunk, They can deny you access to the airport. Then you really will be just a little late for work.

Double edge sword no matter how you look at it. Lose your license or loose your job. Yeah I feel some much safer now.
 
What blatant disregard? Disregard for the implied consent upon entering the airport to search of you, your vehicle, your posessions and anything pertaining to you? That due process?

That hasn't changed in donkey's years.
 
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>>>>That hasn't changed in donkey's years.


Avbug, that reminds me of a line heard a little while ago in referece to a local guy who had a tendency to overstate his experience a little; "Ah, well, Warren logs his time in dog hours"

Uh, well, it was really funny at the time.
 
I was actually referring more to their ability to recind a pilots certificate because they're considered a 'security risk' with no ability for appeal or explanation (hence the due process reference) not really the car searching part.


avbug said:
What blatant disregard? Disregard for the implied consent upon entering the airport to search of you, your vehicle, your posessions and anything pertaining to you? That due process?

That hasn't changed in donkey's years.
 
Ah. Well, you're right there. A lot of things are occuring right now in that respect that are very wrong. The fact that so many "prisoners of war" have been held without bail, without attorney representation or contact with counsel, and no trial or hearing is very wrong...right here in this country. You could be picked up tomorrow and disappear, legally, if certain departments in the government elect to act. It's happened to hundreds of others, and nothing is being done about it.

To say nothing of the inability to learn of the things one is charged with, face accusers, or a right to a speedy trial. I'm not talking about the gitmo resort, either. Right here in freetown USA, people simply disappear. That's a problem. It's no surprise, then, that your certification and entirely livlihood can disappear based on an unidentifiable accusation, and that you have absolutely no recourse about it.

There is no way to look at it that makes it right. Three cheers for our beloved administration.
 
They don't have to use implied consent. The airport just needs to hire it's own guards, and say if you want on the property (private in most cases) you have to consent to getting searched, they do this a DAB. Same way that they force you to go though airport security.

Personally I don't care if all they are doing is looking in my car, I don't like two people more heavily armed than I am looking at me like I am a criminal when all I need to do is goto the FSDO to do some paperwork. (Note this was just after Sept 11th when the National Guard was still at the airports).

Though one has to ask what is the point, my BMW's back windows are so tinted you can't see in, and my car is so low you can't see under it too well.
 
avbug said:
There is no way to look at it that makes it right. Three cheers for our beloved administration.

Wait a second I remember this clearly.

avbug said:
Be greatful that most TFR's are as small as they are. These are hardly a big threat or problem,

You should be glad that they aren't strip searching you just to enter the property. Those guys in Gitmo should be glad that they aren't dead. We should be glad that most of these searches only happen during Code Orange. :rolleyes:

Frankly your sudden 180 on logic astounds me. :confused:
 
That is a matter of implied consent. By setting foot onto the airport property, you give tacit approval to the search. You imply your consent by accepting the terms of going to the airport. You are aware that you may be subject to search, and thereby you consent in accepting this fact, and proceeding.
 
Mikegyro,

I think that the commets of shawn's that you quoted were meant ironically, to make a retorical pilot to Avbug.

regards
 
merikeyegro,

If you look at my post above it, you will see that I don't like them, and am quite uncomfortable with them. Two guys with a gun taking a look at the inside of a car, the last time that I have seen that happen on TV someone got car jacked. :eek:

I simply wrote those in jest to make a point to Avbug about his postion in the TFR thread. :o
 
mikegyro,

I wouldn't worry about it, I had to read it twice to grasp what was going on, and I had the advantage of recalling the previous thread which is alluded to.
 
There was nothing contradictory in my statements. Yes, TFR's are not a big deal. TFR's have been around for quite a while. If you're going to gripe about TFR's, tell me I remember you from the Grand Canyon airspace grab several years ago...did I see your face at the meetings? Did you weigh in in person during some of the pivotal airspace discussions and commentaries? I did. That was a big deal...a far bigger deal than a small shot of airspace around grownup men playing games in tights in a crowded arena.

Do I not care for the current administration? I do not. That's my right. I think some serious mistakes have been made. When I say administration, I'm not talking about the TSA or FAA, I'm talking about the Bush administration, in which a president who lacked the where-withal to settle campaign promises had to resort to the old let's start a war trick to cover his adminstrations shortcomings. I'm not politically correct, I'll tell you what I think. I have no respect for the man, or his policies. He does a tough job, and I'll give him that, but he destroys and he kills and he maims to bolster his chance for re-election, and the adminstration has done a poor job of managing the country.

I don't give a stuff if you care for military or not, or care for anybody or anything, or not. As any good citizen will, I have done my share and had my risks on behalf of our government, and my fellow citizens. You have your reasons, I have mine. They're both irrelevant and personal issues. I have said nothing contradictory. I do not care for what is being done in our government, but I will support it, and the administration, because they ARE our government.

I don't agree with all of what is done in the name of security, and there are some serious encroachments upon our freedoms, but I am no anarchist, and I believe there is only one way to change this country...work through the system. Part of that, and part of citizenship, is supporting the system while you work to change it properly. This includes respecting searches, and certain restrictions.

I'm sick to death of hearing the quotes bantied about regarding those who are willing to sacrifice liberty don't deserve it. Supporting an evolving effort to develop better security measures is not giving up freedom, it's an act of citizenship. Further, the presence of a TFR over a football game does not remove my right to vote, my privilege to fly most places, or the chance to worship, work, and spend as I choose. We are still a free country, and nobody is sacrificing that by supporting the efforts that are in a state of evoloution, toward security and a bid for greater peace.

If you cannot offer a better soloution and put it in place, then what right have you to complain?
 
** ATTENTION ** ATTENTION **

The Security Level Alert Has BEEN CHANGED TO YELLOW.

** REPEAT ** REPEAT **

The Security Level Alert Has BEEN CHANGED TO YELLOW.

Have a nice day. :)
 
Avbug, just because I don't post it here (which is an aviation forum last time I checked) doesn't mean that I am not trying to change the system.
 

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