"Level Orange Search in Effect"

[Typhoon1244]

I drove into DFW this morning, and before I reached the toll booth, a designated agent of the TSA peeked in the left rear window of my Cutlass Supreme. Satisfied I had no contraband in the car, he allowed me to pass.

I could have had a canister of anthrax under the rear seat and a two kiloton nuclear bomb in the trunk.

Do Americans really believe this nonsense makes us all safer?

 

[WrightAvia]

Clockwork Orange alert search...

we would have given you a tiddy twister and cut the boobies out of your shirt. How would you like that one?

 

[A Squared]

A Clockwork Orange and "repo Man" all in one post ...... nothing but the best in juvenile delinquent movies

 

[Dash8]

warrants? bah!

well then somebody better tell the TSA and the SYR PD that because last time they had this alert they were having people open their trunks at the roadblock on airport rd

 

[Typhoon1244]

A Clockwork Orange and Repo Man all in one post...nothing but the best in juvenile delinquent movies.

If you say so...I haven't seen either one.

 

[KigAir]

What year is that Cutlass?

 

[Typhoon1244]

What year is that Cutlass?

Before I tell you...why do you ask?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: warrants

If you tell [the TSA] to shove it, they have to get a warrant before they look in your trunk.

Aren't these the same people who can summarily relieve you of your pilot license?

You're probably correct about warrants, but it sounds risky.

On the other hand, I'm not certain the TSA needs warrants, do they?

 

[cessna_driver2]

Yeah if you tell them no to searching the trunk, They can deny you access to the airport. Then you really will be just a little late for work.

Double edge sword no matter how you look at it. Lose your license or loose your job. Yeah I feel some much safer now.

 

[Dash8]

indignities

ya know...

i'm surprised the ACLU hasn't jumped all over their shiesse for blatant disregard of our 5th amendment rights to due process.

 

[avbug]

What blatant disregard? Disregard for the implied consent upon entering the airport to search of you, your vehicle, your posessions and anything pertaining to you? That due process?

That hasn't changed in donkey's years.

 

[A Squared]

>>>>That hasn't changed in donkey's years.


Avbug, that reminds me of a line heard a little while ago in referece to a local guy who had a tendency to overstate his experience a little; "Ah, well, Warren logs his time in dog hours"

Uh, well, it was really funny at the time.

 

[avbug]

That being the case, how many dog hours equal one "people hour?" I'm going to guess eight.

 

[Dash8]

I was actually referring more to their ability to recind a pilots certificate because they're considered a 'security risk' with no ability for appeal or explanation (hence the due process reference) not really the car searching part.

What blatant disregard? Disregard for the implied consent upon entering the airport to search of you, your vehicle, your posessions and anything pertaining to you? That due process?

That hasn't changed in donkey's years.

 

[avbug]

Ah. Well, you're right there. A lot of things are occuring right now in that respect that are very wrong. The fact that so many "prisoners of war" have been held without bail, without attorney representation or contact with counsel, and no trial or hearing is very wrong...right here in this country. You could be picked up tomorrow and disappear, legally, if certain departments in the government elect to act. It's happened to hundreds of others, and nothing is being done about it.

To say nothing of the inability to learn of the things one is charged with, face accusers, or a right to a speedy trial. I'm not talking about the gitmo resort, either. Right here in freetown USA, people simply disappear. That's a problem. It's no surprise, then, that your certification and entirely livlihood can disappear based on an unidentifiable accusation, and that you have absolutely no recourse about it.

There is no way to look at it that makes it right. Three cheers for our beloved administration.

 

[ShawnC]

They don't have to use implied consent. The airport just needs to hire it's own guards, and say if you want on the property (private in most cases) you have to consent to getting searched, they do this a DAB. Same way that they force you to go though airport security.

Personally I don't care if all they are doing is looking in my car, I don't like two people more heavily armed than I am looking at me like I am a criminal when all I need to do is goto the FSDO to do some paperwork. (Note this was just after Sept 11th when the National Guard was still at the airports).

Though one has to ask what is the point, my BMW's back windows are so tinted you can't see in, and my car is so low you can't see under it too well.

 

[ShawnC]

There is no way to look at it that makes it right. Three cheers for our beloved administration.

Wait a second I remember this clearly.

Be greatful that most TFR's are as small as they are. These are hardly a big threat or problem,

You should be glad that they aren't strip searching you just to enter the property. Those guys in Gitmo should be glad that they aren't dead. We should be glad that most of these searches only happen during Code Orange.

Frankly your sudden 180 on logic astounds me.

 

[avbug]

That is a matter of implied consent. By setting foot onto the airport property, you give tacit approval to the search. You imply your consent by accepting the terms of going to the airport. You are aware that you may be subject to search, and thereby you consent in accepting this fact, and proceeding.

 

[A Squared]

Mikegyro,

I think that the commets of shawn's that you quoted were meant ironically, to make a retorical pilot to Avbug.

regards

 

[ShawnC]

merikeyegro,

If you look at my post above it, you will see that I don't like them, and am quite uncomfortable with them. Two guys with a gun taking a look at the inside of a car, the last time that I have seen that happen on TV someone got car jacked.

I simply wrote those in jest to make a point to Avbug about his postion in the TFR thread.